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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by pfraze »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #180
declan_roberts wrote: post #115

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Blueskey seems to have all of these neat features that developers/nerds seem to like, but literally nobody else cares about.

A proper decentralized publishing platform would be content addressed not federated which retains all the downsides of centralization.

The bluesky team worked previously on IPFS and Dat/Hypercore and Secure Scuttlebutt. Whyrusleeping - one of the core authors of IPFS - has been an active technical advisor from the start. ATProto is basically those p2p & content addressed techs moved into the server stack. None of us are bullish on client side p2p for large scale publishing or social applications, and we spent 10 years each doing that.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

mlindner wrote: post #138
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #101

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Early adopters of the next generation of social networks have left. The passive (a majority) have stayed.

I'd personally prefer to have no social media network at all rather than a "next" one.

Reducing social media hours or eliminating them is also a great alternative to Twitter.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

throwadobe wrote: post #165
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #91

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Not exactly. X had a local representative who was threatened by this judge issuing illegal censorship orders. It’s not that they refused to appoint a representative but that they had to get rid of all their employees and legal representation in Brazil because the judge was going after them as individuals, making it impossible for X to challenge what they viewed as unconstitutional orders to censor speech. The root of…

> making it impossible for X to challenge what they viewed as unconstitutional orders to censor speech Unconstitutional in which country? And if you disagree with that in Brazil you can make your case to the Supreme Court. Musk was playing chicken with a Brazilian Supreme Court judge who called his bluff. He obviously lost, because the latter has immediate legal power and X doesn't.

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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by throwaway48476 »

mynameishere wrote: post #132
mstipetic wrote: post #11

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I learned that tweets by nobodies on topics such as Hunter Biden's laptop or Russiagate or Israel's behavior in Gaza have more credibility than the entire mainstream media. I fully understand the danger of lies (more than you ever will) and that is precisely why I support free speech for ordinary people.

People choose the facts they want and it's incredibly dangerous to let them censor any dissent from their personal reality.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by mensetmanusman »

croes wrote: post #108
stonethrowaway wrote: post #100

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You do know it's about the people who stormed government buildings in a riot to overthrow the government? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Brazilian_Congress_atta... Musk ist protecting the Brazil version of the January 6 rioters of the US.

The winners determine whether it is an overthrow attempt or a protest.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by throwaway48476 »

semiquaver wrote: post #123
hybrid_study wrote: post #97

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this is called Popper's Tolerance Paradox, and you are quite right. it's truly amazing how many people dont really get that having only 99% free speech is just fine

99% of speech is bland and unobjectionable. It’s the 1% that needs protection.

In Arizona a giant home builder complained about a home inspector called CyFy posting tiktoks showing their shoddy construction. What you consider bland and unobjectionable they get very upset about.

https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/we-were-una...

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Post by mensetmanusman »

bsnsxd wrote: post #56
nickpsecurity wrote: post #7

One of the linked articles said it boiled down to X being ordered to censor political opponents of those in power. They chose not to. I’m glad. Now, traffic is going to Bluesky. I wonder if this means that Bluesky has or will be offered the same choice. We might see what the character of that organization is by what choice they make.

"censor political opponents" is the most intellectually dishonest take, and in it lies the whole root of the discussion. Said opponents' accounts were asked to be shut down, not because they are opponents, but because they were being used to commit crimes against the electoral justice. The Supreme Court is a lifetime seat meant to not be caught in bi-yearly electoral politics, so it can oversee it, this current judge…

It’s a crime to dishonor corrupt judges though… so it’s morally okay to not follow that law.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by throwaway48476 »

pfraze wrote: post #201
throwaway48476 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A proper decentralized publishing platform would be content addressed not federated which retains all the downsides of centralization.

The bluesky team worked previously on IPFS and Dat/Hypercore and Secure Scuttlebutt. Whyrusleeping - one of the core authors of IPFS - has been an active technical advisor from the start. ATProto is basically those p2p & content addressed techs moved into the server stack. None of us are bullish on client side p2p for large scale publishing or social applications, and we spent 10 years each doing that.

P2P is hard, but that does not mean undesirable.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by evbogue »

pfraze wrote: post #201
throwaway48476 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A proper decentralized publishing platform would be content addressed not federated which retains all the downsides of centralization.

The bluesky team worked previously on IPFS and Dat/Hypercore and Secure Scuttlebutt. Whyrusleeping - one of the core authors of IPFS - has been an active technical advisor from the start. ATProto is basically those p2p & content addressed techs moved into the server stack. None of us are bullish on client side p2p for large scale publishing or social applications, and we spent 10 years each doing that.

One can authenticate message integrity on the client side and the server side, it doesn't have to be a trade-off. The same is true for encryption and decryption.
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