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Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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Post by PixelForg »

elviejo wrote: post #48
movedx wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a content creator with seven years experience, hundreds of videos and thousands of hours of content: just charge me a fee to host my videos. I'd pay $100/month, possibly more, to run a YouTube channel without. Why is running ads the _only_ choice? Why can't a creator opt to pay to host videos on their channel with limitations? $10/month? That's 30 videos in HD max. $100? 300 videos in 4K... etc. ... or whatever. A…

As a youtube premium subscriber... since I'm already paying let me set my home screen only to my subscriptions. Also let me opt-out of the algoritm.

You can opt out of the algorithm by choosing to pause and clear your watch history, you won't have a feed, can only view your subscriptions

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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Post by ethanol-brain »

roenxi wrote: post #6

I'm torn. I'm not a huge fan of Google and I don't have a lot of respect for the YouTube selection algorithm. However this culture of expecting Google to host the data then freeloading off it by blocking the tracking and ads is also a bit ugly. There is an unwritten social contract here. Google is willing to host and organise a vast number of videos because that'll attract an audience for ads. If there are too may fr…

Do you think that any significant number of users are circumventing advertisements on YouTube?

No one has the right to control my client just because I visited their server. If Google doesn't want my client, they can easily block me.

Acting like people running custom clients are thieves or something is ridiculous.

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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Post by ruthmarx »

It definitely is. I switched to it primarily because the main website just takes up so much memory, needlessly.

I have no moral issue with this either. If Google wants money then they need to be more legitimate in their business dealings. No ignoring DMCA abuse, no ending user accounts with no appeal, no dark patterns period.

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

#54

Post by senkora »

PixelForg wrote: post #51
elviejo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a youtube premium subscriber... since I'm already paying let me set my home screen only to my subscriptions. Also let me opt-out of the algoritm.

You can opt out of the algorithm by choosing to pause and clear your watch history, you won't have a feed, can only view your subscriptions

+1. I have done this. It works well.

I watch videos from my subscriptions in reverse chronological order and that’s it.

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

#55

Post by yazzku »

roenxi wrote: post #37
amelius wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's mission is "to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful". Sounds like they can't really complain if someone took that information and made it universally accessible :)

That level of analysis is on par with arguing for robbing someone's house because they believe that social welfare is a good idea. To influence the world in a positive way (for yourself or others) it is necessary to look a little deeper into how to make situations sustainable.

"sustainable" while making the board $20bn quarterly profit, of course.

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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Post by ethanol-brain »

toastercat wrote: post #12
roenxi wrote: post #6

I'm torn. I'm not a huge fan of Google and I don't have a lot of respect for the YouTube selection algorithm. However this culture of expecting Google to host the data then freeloading off it by blocking the tracking and ads is also a bit ugly. There is an unwritten social contract here. Google is willing to host and organise a vast number of videos because that'll attract an audience for ads. If there are too may fr…

Exactly. But I would like to take it a step further -- anytime you visit a page anywhere on the internet, there is an unwritten social contract that you will not block ads or trackers. For this reason, adblock in itself is unethical and basically equivalent to piracy. Additionally, actors like Mozilla who build tracker-blocking tech into their browsers should be held accountable for encouraging this disgusting behavi…

No, the burden is on you. The web is public by default. If you join it and think there is a burden on your visitors to pay you by viewing some bullshit that you serve them from some megacorporation who sells their identity, you are the one being unethical.

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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Post by ethanol-brain »

MBCook wrote: post #22

Or if you don’t want to see ads you could pay for it instead. Like an adult. Works great. They present a perfectly valid choice to you, and it works great. It’s a reasonable enough price (not great but reasonable), but it supports the creators you watch with part of your subscription money. Plus it has other benefits if you care, like free TV shows and movies and YouTube music. I don’t use that stuff but it is there.

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Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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Post by miah_ »

jeffbee wrote: post #43
stavros wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why doesn't the government split the megacorp into several tiny companies? All this collusion between these otherwise unrelated companies is only good for Google.

People always say this but what is the practical way this would come into effect? Unless the intention is to simply kill either YouTube or Google, or both, how do you separate out YouTube in a way that is meaningfully "breaking up" with Google but that the separate entity could afford?

There already was a time when Youtube was its own company. Google bought it. Maybe they didn't do great on their own but it was also ~2005 and things are very different now.

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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Post by [deleted] »

movedx wrote: post #19
roenxi wrote: post #6

I'm torn. I'm not a huge fan of Google and I don't have a lot of respect for the YouTube selection algorithm. However this culture of expecting Google to host the data then freeloading off it by blocking the tracking and ads is also a bit ugly. There is an unwritten social contract here. Google is willing to host and organise a vast number of videos because that'll attract an audience for ads. If there are too may fr…

As a content creator with seven years experience, hundreds of videos and thousands of hours of content: just charge me a fee to host my videos. I'd pay $100/month, possibly more, to run a YouTube channel without. Why is running ads the _only_ choice? Why can't a creator opt to pay to host videos on their channel with limitations? $10/month? That's 30 videos in HD max. $100? 300 videos in 4K... etc. ... or whatever. A…

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Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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Post by nine_k »

roenxi wrote: post #6

I'm torn. I'm not a huge fan of Google and I don't have a lot of respect for the YouTube selection algorithm. However this culture of expecting Google to host the data then freeloading off it by blocking the tracking and ads is also a bit ugly. There is an unwritten social contract here. Google is willing to host and organise a vast number of videos because that'll attract an audience for ads. If there are too may fr…

Fortunately, YouTure offers the premium account for a small price I gladly pay. I want YouTube to be around, and I don't want it to turn to trash in a desperate attempt to turn a profit.

This also frees me from any qualms about using alternative clients, which are superior in certain situations.

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