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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by Retr0id »

declan_roberts wrote: post #115
verdverm wrote: post #70

I left Xitter about 6 weeks ago and went all in on Bluesky. Took time to give feedback to the algo, but it's doing much better these days. I don't feel like I'm missing out on much, you'll get the same news & events on Bluesky. A lot of people who were scared of losing their following are reporting more, better engagement with lower follower counts. What I really like about it is the ATProto, which while imperfect, s…

Blueskey seems to have all of these neat features that developers/nerds seem to like, but literally nobody else cares about.

That's my favourite thing about it, really. It's very interesting at the technical level, but regular users simply do not need to care about any of that. They're adopting it anyway because it works.

Most other "interesting protocol" projects are used exclusively by interesting-protocol enthusiasts.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

croes wrote: post #106
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly. X had a local representative who was threatened by this judge issuing illegal censorship orders. It’s not that they refused to appoint a representative but that they had to get rid of all their employees and legal representation in Brazil because the judge was going after them as individuals, making it impossible for X to challenge what they viewed as unconstitutional orders to censor speech. The root of…

Isn't it about the people who invaded government buildings on January 8 2923 because they claimed Jair Bolsonaro won the election much like the January 6 attack in the USA after Trump lost? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Brazilian_Congress_atta... The same people who wanted to overthrow the government and wanted a coup d'état by the military? I doubt that the US government would differently in such cases. And T…

As far as I'm aware, the American government has never ordered a social media platform to ban certain accounts. Even mild government suggestions about social media content are quite controversial in the US.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by [deleted] »

verdverm wrote: post #124
declan_roberts wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blueskey seems to have all of these neat features that developers/nerds seem to like, but literally nobody else cares about.

It's not that they don't care, it's more that they are used to centralized social media and unaware of even the possibility for a different paradigm. I have seen them respond with intrigue and support once these things are explained.

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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by toomuchtodo »

supafastcoder wrote: post #139
toomuchtodo wrote: post #64

“Masterful gambit, sir.” (X is facing a deep decline in revenue, cutting its valuation from $44B to ~$12B [Musk’s stake is worth ~$7B], and Musk makes a choice that drives millions of users to an alternate site: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitters-revenue-collapses-84... )

I strongly believe the potential valuation and financial performance was not the primary motivation for Musk to buy Twitter, it’s simply a toy for a man worth $200+ billion.

I agree, but if he valued the soft power, wouldn't you expect to him to take the survival of the platform more seriously? Or maybe it's all for the lulz and I am just a dumb peasant. Certainly, to hell with the valuation if you're going to run it as your own personal forum, but if you scare all the users and revenue away, you are left with a very expensive CRUD system you alone are posting into (and paying billions of dollars for the privilege).

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by myko »

semiquaver wrote: post #123
hybrid_study wrote: post #97

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this is called Popper's Tolerance Paradox, and you are quite right. it's truly amazing how many people dont really get that having only 99% free speech is just fine

99% of speech is bland and unobjectionable. It’s the 1% that needs protection.

i disagree, for example holocaust denial is not allowed in Germany and that seems reasonable and to work well

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/germanys-laws-ant...

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by sega_sai »

declan_roberts wrote: post #122
morkalork wrote: post #17

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Social media is trending towards regional balkanisation. Governments are clueing into the fact giving everyone including foreign states free reign to broadcast to, and manipulate, their constituants is a bad idea. Just look at what happened in the UK recently with the riots. Twitter's days are numbered there.

You believe the riots in UK are because of twitter? People are living in parallel universes.

They were to large extent provoked by misinformation about the attacker on kids party. The misinformation stayed on twitter for long time and was spread out by many people including Musk.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by myko »

sapphicsnail wrote: post #133
pqdbr wrote: post #72

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More power to him. He’s making the hard choices and paying a steep price for actually standing for free speech like no other big tech does.

Doesn't he punish accounts that use the words cis and cisgender? I don't really understand how anyone can argue he's a free speech advocate in 2024.

that's hate speech (speech Elon hates) though, he only wants to protect speech he likes

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

croes wrote: post #125
anankaie wrote: post #119

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Yes, it is; governments do not have a magic right to never be questioned or even advocated against.

A military coup d'état is unconstitutional in nearly every country, to prevent that and protect the intended way of change of government isn't a magical right but simply a duty of the government. And Musk didn't fight as hard in India or Turkey for accounts of people that did far less. There's obviously a bias, I wonder why? https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-jair-bolsonaro-spacex-s...

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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by pfraze »

louhike wrote: post #147
pfraze wrote: post #76

Copying over my latest backend status update; figure folks would find it interesting Servers are holding up so far! Fortunately we were overprovisioned. If we hit 4mm new signups then things should get interesting. We did have some degradations (user handles entering an invalid state, event-stream crashed a couple times, algo crashed a couple times, image servers hit bad latencies) but we managed to avoid a full outa…

That’s interesting. Why do you use event sourcing? Is having a full history important for a website/app like bluesky?

Ahhh you know what, I should call it stream processing or something, because we don't store the data entirely as events. We store the data as a mutable K/V which emits an event stream of changes, which can then be ingested into different views. We chose not to store changes as events specifically because we don't want unbounded growth in the system. Initial syncs work by fetching the current state of the K/V store (the "data repo").

Bluesky is built on atprotocol (atproto.com) and can be thought of as an open distributed system. The event stream is for replicating throughout the various services.

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