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Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by righthand »

gruez wrote: post #101
righthand wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was on my property. Spying isn’t legal because you can fly a drone over my fence. My places have a right to defend yourself. How do I know it’s not an attack?

I'm not sure how you got the impression that the discussion was about cameras/drones on your property. The OP talked about "Cameras everywhere all the time. No more anonymity in public soon". It's clear that we're talking about other people's cameras in public spaces, not voyeurs trying to look in your bedroom.

How did I get that impression in my own reply chain where I made a point about it? Idk what you’re suggesting.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by righthand »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #109
righthand wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was on my property. Spying isn’t legal because you can fly a drone over my fence. My places have a right to defend yourself. How do I know it’s not an attack?

Do you own the airspace above your property?

Who cares prove that it wasn’t on the ground when I destroyed it. My story will be: I saw it fall to the ground. When I walked up it looked like a bunch of spinning blades. I thought someone was attacking me so I destroyed the device.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by c22 »

lolinder wrote: post #349
c22 wrote: post #333

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Why not just come to a full stop? It's presumably dark out at 3am so you may have missed a pedestrian or a vehicle with no headlights. It only takes an extra second or two to stop and look around.

At the majority of signal-controlled intersections with city limits there's plenty of visibility even (or dare I say especially ) at 3am and the scanning can happen as you approach. (Also, the kind of rolling stop I'm talking about isn't a 5mph roll, it's a near-stop that feels like a stop to the driver but technically doesn't actually bring the tires to stationary. Odds are even you have done this kind of stop prett…

Odds are I haven't since I'm always careful to stop twice when turning right on red. (Once before the crosswalk, and again at the far side of the crosswalk to check for cross traffic before executing the turn.)

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by reissbaker »

LMFAO. My Tesla has been broken into multiple times in the Bay Area, with footage of the perpetrators and their license plate numbers, and the police have refused to investigate and were often unwilling to even accept the footage. And this isn't just me: literally everyone I know with a Tesla in the Bay Area has had a similar experience. The cops do not care, at all.

Towing someone's car on the off chance it had video surveillance of a crime the police bother working on is insane overreach when they won't even investigate crimes to that owner's car in the first place.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by c22 »

refulgentis wrote: post #369
c22 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly I'd rather just get a ticket when I speed by a traffic camera than rely on the discretion of a random police officer who might just be looking for a pretense to search my vehicle or hassle me in some other way.

Jaywalking, to my ear, is a similarly universal & easy example for this not being universally desirable.

It's probably not universally necessary to jaywalk. However, I am against this on the grounds of logistics. I understand and accept the need to have a license and display an identifier while operating a vehicle, but I think this would be an extreme requirement for people walking around (and possibly unconstitutional in the US?) And without this identifier, how will the system know where to send the citation?

All things being equal though this doesn't even sound inherently bad. If every jaywalking infraction was cited we might democratically re-decide how much we want that law to be on the books.

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Post by klyrs »

righthand wrote: post #372
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you own the airspace above your property?

Who cares prove that it wasn’t on the ground when I destroyed it. My story will be: I saw it fall to the ground. When I walked up it looked like a bunch of spinning blades. I thought someone was attacking me so I destroyed the device.

> I thought someone was attacking me so I destroyed the device.

Funny thing about that government property you destroyed... it was broadcasting the evidence it collected.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by throwaway22032 »

rblatz wrote: post #306
harmmonica wrote: post #247

As a somewhat regular user of Waymo, these types of conversations seem like they're going to be more and more in the (sorry!) rearview mirror because we won't own the car nor the cameras that are recording the world as we "drive" around. That's not to say that we should give up fighting for some level of privacy even when we don't own the cars, but seems more likely that legislation would be passed that forces the ve…

I think this plays out where it becomes a luxury to drive oneself. Over the next 10-15 years it looks like self driving will continue to advance and will likely become safer than the alternative. Once that happens insurance companies will start charging more for people that drive themselves compared to people that let the car drive. I can see some states outlawing that practice. Then it’s left to see who is still und…

I agree with you that driving manually will become a luxury but it's important to recognise that it will manifest as a discount on self driving, not a surcharge on manual.

The only way in which I can see a surcharge on manual happening is if it becomes so incredibly rare that it becomes a niche product, or if there ends up being a bias e.g. it turns out that the pool of manual drivers is now biased towards people who like to drive in a risky manner.

If anything, in a competitive market that is able to price individual risk appropriately, the cost of manual insurance for you or I should be lower in the self driving world, because most other drivers are now "superhuman" and thus we should get into fewer accidents.

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Post by NiloCK »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #357
ClassyJacket wrote: post #347

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You don't ever need to slam on your brakes or speed up for yellow lights, that's the entire point of the yellow light existing instead of just going straight to red.

Not if they're poorly timed.

What does this mean?

If you observe a yellow and can safely stop, then stop. If you can't safely stop, then don't stop.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by m463 »

mixtureoftakes wrote: post #346
akira2501 wrote: post #303

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I was watching a youtube video about the "Kia Boys." A group of young men who made a lifestyle out of stealing Kia vehicles with flawed anti theft systems installed. What interested me is that they make a habit of connecting their personal phone to the entertainment systems of vehicles they steal. They then use the large list of connected devices in their phone to brag about their stature as criminals. Which is hilar…

all while some people spend their entire lives obsessing about privacy without even doing anything illegal...

wrong angle - most people aren't trying to cover their crime sprres, they know losing privacy is more likely to make you a victim. Could be robbery, but it could also be high hotel prices.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by lern_too_spel »

monkeywork wrote: post #323
lurking_swe wrote: post #279

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you conveniently left out the fact that anyone driving a car or truck is driving a dangerous vehicle that can trivially kill or maim others. Driving is supposed to be a privilege, not a right. That comes with responsibility. How you think this is the same as “being naughty while walking outside” is hilarious to me.

so if someone is carrying a baseball bat, a knife, or any other sort of weapon that can trivially kill or maim others they should be wearing the body cam?

They should expect to be filmed in public more than people not carrying weapons. This already happens.
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