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Greece announces new rules banning mobile phones in schools from September

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Re: Greece announces new rules banning mobile phones in schools from September

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Post by nhod »

redbell wrote: post #40

One, big, problem of our [supposedly] modern life is that we create problems from no where than struggle to find solutions for them. Regardless of the country, bringing smart phones to schools by students is a critical problem because it has a lot of negative consequences with short attention span caused by short-form videos [1] being one of them. Instead, we can buy our kids classic, dump phone just for calling purp…

all of our problems are created out of thin air. we literally make up all of our problems.

no one is ever upset about the way things are; they are only upset about the stories they make up about the way things are supposed to be, or are not, or should be, etc.

go ahead and find me something that you are upset about just the way that it is, with no relation to the way that it isn’t. i’ll wait.

Re: Greece announces new rules banning mobile phones in schools from September

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Post by chx »

unpopularopp wrote: post #36

Hungary did the same this month but interesting how it plays out here. Because the current meta of the opposition is "everything Orbán does is bad" so this policy also became an issue like that and every non-Fidesz aligned party, teachers trade union etc is opposing it.

I do not want to go off the deep end but you really lack context here. There's a seriously sick undercurrent to this: this will strengthen the position of school guards. In other words, it's just another pandering to pedophiles.

Re: Greece announces new rules banning mobile phones in schools from September

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Post by washadjeffmad »

washadjeffmad wrote: post #31
cynicalsecurity wrote: post #17

Problem: bullying. Cheap solution that won't work, but they need to do something: take children's phones away.

You're right in that it's both a modern challenge and one 30 years in need of addressing. The first girl I "dated" I met in an AOL chat in the 90s where I did what was later called negging. Five years later, my friends were on AIM and torturing each other and everyone they could get the handles of. A coworker recently told me her tween son had done the same to a classmate via Discord and whatever other socials kids u…

Are the Pixel and iPhone launch teams trolling HN tonight? What's the obsession with camera phones for kids. They're problematic.

Re: Greece announces new rules banning mobile phones in schools from September

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Post by tzs »

I recently heard a discussion of such bans on NPR (I'm not sure which program because I was listening on the car radio during a short trip). They talked to some high school students who were under such bans and most thought it was for the best.

One student did raise a good point though. She said that when she's trying to concentrate like when reading something challenging she would listen to music on her phone via headphones to block distractions. Now that she can't do that she's finding it harder to concentrate.

I wonder if stand-alone music players might make a comeback among students?

Re: Greece announces new rules banning mobile phones in schools from September

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Post by dotancohen »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #39
hunter2_ wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the closest tower is on the fringe of connectivity, and you've got an app that's acknowledging push notifications constantly or similar, then wouldn't it make sense that it has to scream constantly? Keep in mind that not every push on a data level results in something displaying in your notification tray; these are quite distinct despite the phrase "push notification" commonly being used for the combination of a p…

Wireless radios boost their gain settings when they have weak or no signal. The firmware devs should be mindful of conserving power in this scenario. Some don't bother.

No, I would actually expect that the phone would attempt higher power when connectivity is spotty. That is a feature, not a bug.

Re: Greece announces new rules banning mobile phones in schools from September

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Post by ffsm8 »

Iulioh wrote: post #32
zamadatix wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Merging" as in ~25 is the new class size after merge or two classes of ~25 will merge to a new class size of ~50? I never really considered it before but on looking it up it seems some places have average class sizes Even 30 I think worked out towards the later years but, looking back, I have no idea how grade school classes of 25+ held together. 50 would have to be just nuts for all but maybe the final year or two.

I don't think 50 student classes are possible because they wouldn't fit in the already present rooms Probably will set a minimum of 25 when possible with 30ish as a maximum

Maybe you can stack them, kids are small AF ( θ ‿ θ )

Re: Greece announces new rules banning mobile phones in schools from September

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Post by GeoAtreides »

redbell wrote: post #40

One, big, problem of our [supposedly] modern life is that we create problems from no where than struggle to find solutions for them. Regardless of the country, bringing smart phones to schools by students is a critical problem because it has a lot of negative consequences with short attention span caused by short-form videos [1] being one of them. Instead, we can buy our kids classic, dump phone just for calling purp…

Not sure if you noticed, but your last two paragraphs are the same as your first, only re-worded, rephrased by a small amount.

Re: Greece announces new rules banning mobile phones in schools from September

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Post by eesmith »

Aerroon wrote: post #38

Stupid new rules. And I think I'm already being charitable. Of course phones should be banned during class , but not in-between classes. > Under the new rules, pupils who don't comply will be excluded from school for one day. The "punishment" is even stupider than the new rules themselves. Kids already do not want to be in school and you're rewarding them with that for breaking a rule. > Scientific data on how the us…

> Kids already do not want to be in school

Where I grew up, kids were required to attend school until they were 16, but free schooling was available until high school graduation, so nominally about 18.

The number of 17 year olds who voluntarily went to school tells me that a lot of kids want to be in school.

> why isn't this being used to improve educational outcomes in general?

There is overwhelming evidence that environmental lead worsens educational outcomes in general.

That's one of the reasons we have greatly reduced using lead.

Just because the data against lead is overwhelming doesn't mean we suddenly know everything about how to improve learning.

> I think this ban is also going to be ineffective.

We know that such bans elsewhere can be effective.

We know that teens smoke at school too, even though smoking has long since been banned at school, with punishment which includes suspension.

Should we get rid of smoking bans then?

Re: Greece announces new rules banning mobile phones in schools from September

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Post by euroderf »

tzs wrote: post #45

I recently heard a discussion of such bans on NPR (I'm not sure which program because I was listening on the car radio during a short trip). They talked to some high school students who were under such bans and most thought it was for the best. One student did raise a good point though. She said that when she's trying to concentrate like when reading something challenging she would listen to music on her phone via he…

> I wonder if stand-alone music players might make a comeback among students?

How about headphones whose sole function is noise cancellation ? What's the minimum size & cost ?

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