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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by [deleted] »

chipdart wrote: post #49
Gud wrote: post #45

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You can’t be so naive that you think this has anything to do with the reasons you listed. The government in Brazil does not like X because users are critizing the government. Unfortunately Brazil is barely a democracy and it’s infested with little potentates.

> The government in Brazil does not like X because users are critizing the government. This baseless personal assertion does not pass the smell test. I'm going to explain to you why. Elon Musk's Twitter is happily censoring opposition of totalitarian dictatorships such as Turkey's Erdogan regime, and the only remark that Elon Musk published regarding censoring Turk opposition parties is that Elon Musk's Twitter would…

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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by declan_roberts »

morkalork wrote: post #17
adventured wrote: post #5

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There are no possible alternatives to US based services unless you enjoy extreme restrictions on speech. Europe has become a big no-go zone for speech over the past decade, they're outright hostile and authoritarian about it (with only a few exceptions among European nations). And the direction re liberalism and human rights in Europe is overwhelmingly hostile toward speech. And for South America, Africa and Asia you…

Social media is trending towards regional balkanisation. Governments are clueing into the fact giving everyone including foreign states free reign to broadcast to, and manipulate, their constituants is a bad idea. Just look at what happened in the UK recently with the riots. Twitter's days are numbered there.

You believe the riots in UK are because of twitter?

People are living in parallel universes.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by semiquaver »

hybrid_study wrote: post #97
mstipetic wrote: post #11

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this is called Popper's Tolerance Paradox, and you are quite right. it's truly amazing how many people dont really get that having only 99% free speech is just fine

99% of speech is bland and unobjectionable. It’s the 1% that needs protection.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by verdverm »

declan_roberts wrote: post #115
verdverm wrote: post #70

I left Xitter about 6 weeks ago and went all in on Bluesky. Took time to give feedback to the algo, but it's doing much better these days. I don't feel like I'm missing out on much, you'll get the same news & events on Bluesky. A lot of people who were scared of losing their following are reporting more, better engagement with lower follower counts. What I really like about it is the ATProto, which while imperfect, s…

Blueskey seems to have all of these neat features that developers/nerds seem to like, but literally nobody else cares about.

It's not that they don't care, it's more that they are used to centralized social media and unaware of even the possibility for a different paradigm.

I have seen them respond with intrigue and support once these things are explained.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by croes »

anankaie wrote: post #119
croes wrote: post #107

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Is it censorship to block accounts of people who want to overthrow the government?

Yes, it is; governments do not have a magic right to never be questioned or even advocated against.

A military coup d'état is unconstitutional in nearly every country, to prevent that and protect the intended way of change of government isn't a magical right but simply a duty of the government.

And Musk didn't fight as hard in India or Turkey for accounts of people that did far less.

There's obviously a bias, I wonder why?

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-jair-bolsonaro-spacex-s...

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Post by pessimizer »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #95
tourmalinetaco wrote: post #33

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Everyone has a right to speech, even those you disagree with politically.

I guess the assertion above is that they were not banned for mere speech?

I don't think it is. I think the assertion is that people who have been accused of supporting something that has been seen as a coup by supporters of the administration should have their speech banned, anyone who helps them speak should be arrested, and anyone who listens to them speak should be fined $10,000 per violation.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by WalterBright »

xmprt wrote: post #79
pqdbr wrote: post #72

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More power to him. He’s making the hard choices and paying a steep price for actually standing for free speech like no other big tech does.

> actually standing for free speech I don't know how anyone can continue to claim this with a straight face when he sued advertisers for not continuing to advertise on the website.

"The lawsuit from his X platform against the non-profit advertising initiative GARM has led to its dissolution. A major ad industry group is shutting down, days after Elon Musk-owned X filed a lawsuit that claimed the group illegally conspired to boycott advertising on his platform." -- Google

I.e. Musk did not sue the advertisers.

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Post by srackey »

vaidhy wrote: post #96
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #91

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Not exactly. X had a local representative who was threatened by this judge issuing illegal censorship orders. It’s not that they refused to appoint a representative but that they had to get rid of all their employees and legal representation in Brazil because the judge was going after them as individuals, making it impossible for X to challenge what they viewed as unconstitutional orders to censor speech. The root of…

We are talking about the same Elon who tweeted the picture of the judge behind bars in an masterful attempt to resolve the issue, right?

He’s being shaken down by an authoritarian no different than anyone in Russia, you think he should have tried asking nicely instead?

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Post by jrflowers »

mwilcox wrote: post #109
delichon wrote: post #93

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Does Bluesky intend to be responsive to the kind of court orders that X rejected?

Clearly given he is excited to receive the traffic

Can you elaborate on this? I’m not clear what you mean here.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by srackey »

dont_forget_me wrote: post #16

It saddens me the Brasil banned X because of racism, anti-semitism and hate-speech. But X is still not banned in the west. At some point we have to come to this realization in the west that absolutism is never the answer. Free speech is good upto certain extent, the way it was at Twitter before the rich and powerful took over. Moreover, it is content moderation and it doesn't have anything to do with free speech.

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