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Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by lr4444lr »

rbalicki wrote: post #6

Genuine question: What is stopping some small percent of drivers from installing cameras and using ML to identify cars driving dangerously (e.g. speeding, running reds, changing multiple lanes at once, etc.), and when their license plate is identifiable, finding and informing their insurance company? If even a small subset of users did this, and insurers did something with this information, it would substantially dis…

I doubt it'd tell them any more than they already know. These drivers tend to have been given citations already.

The real money would be in giving civilians whose footage leads to a successful prosecution for moving violations a percentage of the fine. NYC already has something like this for people who catch too-long idling trucks and photograph/video record it.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by wil421 »

sodality2 wrote: post #18
freejazz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If even a small subset of users did this, and insurers did something with this information, it would substantially disincentivize driving like a complete maniac. People who drive like complete maniacs aren't doing so rationally. It's called "road rage" not "road reason."

I disagree - people do it because they are angry, and _also_ because they're unlikely to get caught. Far less people commit hit&runs, because there's a much higher chance of getting caught.

There are far less hit and runs than speeders or road ragers.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by righthand »

klyrs wrote: post #21
righthand wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People will move out of the cities onto land where they can remove/shoot down cameras. The cities and policing are too aggressive with their big brother tactics, thinking FUD about crime is a good enough reason to take away privacy from people. It is actually a minority opinion that the country wants this but no one votes in local elections anymore so the minority wins.

> People will move out of the cities onto land where they can remove/shoot down cameras People interested in method Mad Max LARPing are significantly overrepresented on HN.

Drones, country where owning a gun is right. I see no post apocalyptic societal leap needed to get to something like this happening.

People interested in fiction as the only match for predictions, are significantly overrepresented on HN. Please reference at me that “life will find a way”.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by gruez »

freejazz wrote: post #22
gruez wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree. While "maniacs" could include road rage behavior (eg. brakechecking someone), it also arguably encompasses other risky behavior that's not obviously associated with "road rage", like speeding or aggressive weaving/lane changes.

Road rage is but one example. No one brake checking someone else is doing it rationally. If someone was being rational, they would drive reasonably. They would forgive and forget, and they wouldn't do dangerous things. If drivers were worried about their rates going up, they would not do the very activities that put them in that risk in the first place.

> If drivers were worried about their rates going up, they would not do the very activities that put them in that risk in the first place.

Not if they're underestimating the risk. For instance, if they think speed limits are instituted by clueless bureaucrats, or they think they're better than the average driver and therefore can drive more aggressively.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by pbohun »

We've seen this type of thing happen with Ring, where the police want video from people's private cameras. Do police have the legal right to access/take people's private property like this? I thought the 4th amendment of the constitution protected against unreasonable searches and seizures?

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by andylynch »

rbalicki wrote: post #6

Genuine question: What is stopping some small percent of drivers from installing cameras and using ML to identify cars driving dangerously (e.g. speeding, running reds, changing multiple lanes at once, etc.), and when their license plate is identifiable, finding and informing their insurance company? If even a small subset of users did this, and insurers did something with this information, it would substantially dis…

Insurers may not be the best recipients given most of those things are criminal matters.

In my country, most police forces accept dashcam evidence from other road users, and will prosecute on it. It’s seen be the police as a great road safety tool.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by freejazz »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #25
freejazz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If even a small subset of users did this, and insurers did something with this information, it would substantially disincentivize driving like a complete maniac. People who drive like complete maniacs aren't doing so rationally. It's called "road rage" not "road reason."

In most cases, it's a devil's brew of "Speed limits that are set too low" and "Drivers that aren't taught how to use lanes properly."

Surely you don't live in a city.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by gruez »

pbohun wrote: post #36

We've seen this type of thing happen with Ring, where the police want video from people's private cameras. Do police have the legal right to access/take people's private property like this? I thought the 4th amendment of the constitution protected against unreasonable searches and seizures?

>Do police have the legal right to access/take people's private property like this? I thought the 4th amendment of the constitution protected against unreasonable searches and seizures?

Search warrants specifically exist to give police the "legal right to access/take people's private property", and are widely accepted to be constitutional.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by righthand »

Loughla wrote: post #19
righthand wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People will move out of the cities onto land where they can remove/shoot down cameras. The cities and policing are too aggressive with their big brother tactics, thinking FUD about crime is a good enough reason to take away privacy from people. It is actually a minority opinion that the country wants this but no one votes in local elections anymore so the minority wins.

It's illegal, even in rural areas, to shoot down drones. Also it's not drones that are an issue. It's ring cameras and car cameras and CCTV cameras.

It’s different depending on the municipality. Your initial statement is not exclusively true of every inch of land in the US. Furthermore any illegality is limited to what any small police department can actually do about it.
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