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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by timeon » Sat, Aug 31, 2024, 2:53 PM UTC

guerrilla wrote: post #6

rvz wrote: post #2

Several folks in Brazil had much to choose from out of Threads, Mastodon and Bluesky as alternatives to Twitter / X. Now that X got banned in Brazil and to potentially lose over 100M+ users we are starting to see which platforms they are choosing to sign up to. So far, Bluesky is seeing a surge in user registrations after the invite system was lifted a year ago. I would expect Threads to also see a surge in registrat…

Where are you pulling your statistics from? I'm looking at one of the Mastodon Users Count bots and it seems like there's a 43% increase in sign-ups per weeks since last week. Of course, I have no idea why and that might be normal noise.

Seems there is another increase in last ~2 hours: https://mastodon.social/@mastodonusercount/11305699278921998...

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by tirant » Sat, Aug 31, 2024, 2:53 PM UTC

mstipetic wrote: post #11

adventured wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are no possible alternatives to US based services unless you enjoy extreme restrictions on speech. Europe has become a big no-go zone for speech over the past decade, they're outright hostile and authoritarian about it (with only a few exceptions among European nations). And the direction re liberalism and human rights in Europe is overwhelmingly hostile toward speech. And for South America, Africa and Asia you…

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The spread of lies or false information has always been the price the pay in order to have free speech.

It is the task of the individuals in free societies to discern the lies from the truth, or at least to choose their tools in doing so.

You’re lying to yourself if you believe you can have real human free speech with a system capable of censoring all lies.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by diogocp » Sat, Aug 31, 2024, 2:55 PM UTC

dont_forget_me wrote: post #16

It saddens me the Brasil banned X because of racism, anti-semitism and hate-speech. But X is still not banned in the west. At some point we have to come to this realization in the west that absolutism is never the answer. Free speech is good upto certain extent, the way it was at Twitter before the rich and powerful took over. Moreover, it is content moderation and it doesn't have anything to do with free speech.

> Free speech is good upto certain extent

Up to the extent that you agree with it?

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by dgfitz » Sat, Aug 31, 2024, 2:55 PM UTC

mstipetic wrote: post #11

adventured wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are no possible alternatives to US based services unless you enjoy extreme restrictions on speech. Europe has become a big no-go zone for speech over the past decade, they're outright hostile and authoritarian about it (with only a few exceptions among European nations). And the direction re liberalism and human rights in Europe is overwhelmingly hostile toward speech. And for South America, Africa and Asia you…

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The US learned a few lessons from alcohol prohibition, most of them tough and painful.

Banning a thing that allows “obvious lies” will have knock-on effects that haven’t been realized yet.

I guess we learned how to make faster cars to outrun cops…?

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by timeon » Sat, Aug 31, 2024, 2:56 PM UTC

LightHugger wrote: post #20

mstipetic wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Because people lie about what the lies are, without fail. As soon as any "misinformation" rule becomes a thing, it is already being abused by liars.

Liars do not need rule to abuse. They will first manipulate society and crate rules if needed afterwards. That is the nature of populism.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by timeon » Sat, Aug 31, 2024, 2:59 PM UTC

diogocp wrote: post #23

dont_forget_me wrote: post #16

It saddens me the Brasil banned X because of racism, anti-semitism and hate-speech. But X is still not banned in the west. At some point we have to come to this realization in the west that absolutism is never the answer. Free speech is good upto certain extent, the way it was at Twitter before the rich and powerful took over. Moreover, it is content moderation and it doesn't have anything to do with free speech.

> Free speech is good upto certain extent Up to the extent that you agree with it?

That seems to be current model for Twitter.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by tourmalinetaco » Sat, Aug 31, 2024, 2:59 PM UTC

dont_forget_me wrote: post #16

It saddens me the Brasil banned X because of racism, anti-semitism and hate-speech. But X is still not banned in the west. At some point we have to come to this realization in the west that absolutism is never the answer. Free speech is good upto certain extent, the way it was at Twitter before the rich and powerful took over. Moreover, it is content moderation and it doesn't have anything to do with free speech.

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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by dont_forget_me_ » Sat, Aug 31, 2024, 3:00 PM UTC

dont_forget_me wrote: post #16

It saddens me the Brasil banned X because of racism, anti-semitism and hate-speech. But X is still not banned in the west. At some point we have to come to this realization in the west that absolutism is never the answer. Free speech is good upto certain extent, the way it was at Twitter before the rich and powerful took over. Moreover, it is content moderation and it doesn't have anything to do with free speech.

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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by dont_forget_me_ » Sat, Aug 31, 2024, 3:01 PM UTC

dont_forget_me wrote: post #16

It saddens me the Brasil banned X because of racism, anti-semitism and hate-speech. But X is still not banned in the west. At some point we have to come to this realization in the west that absolutism is never the answer. Free speech is good upto certain extent, the way it was at Twitter before the rich and powerful took over. Moreover, it is content moderation and it doesn't have anything to do with free speech.

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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Aug 31, 2024, 3:02 PM UTC

dont_forget_me_ wrote: post #28

dont_forget_me wrote: post #16

It saddens me the Brasil banned X because of racism, anti-semitism and hate-speech. But X is still not banned in the west. At some point we have to come to this realization in the west that absolutism is never the answer. Free speech is good upto certain extent, the way it was at Twitter before the rich and powerful took over. Moreover, it is content moderation and it doesn't have anything to do with free speech.

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