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EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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I am in favor of ChatControl for politicians only: https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/two-agencies-... "The Ombudsman accused von der Leyen and the Commission of ‘maladministration’ for failing to produce the deleted text messages, challenging the belief that such texts did not qualify as ‘documents’ under EU law."

And it is almost guaranteed in the event this ever passes, that politicians would be one of the few, who would not be monitored.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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> tries to stop the conflict in Ukraine Afaik only cares about cheap gas, the rest is irrelevant.

If that's what hungarians want, cheap gas, he's working for hungarians, he's their president, i don't know what's wrong with that. I mean.. ask an average american, cut support for ukraine and in turn get cheaper gas.. what would a Billy or Bobby in texas say?

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Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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It would help a lot if counter-terrorism and other organisations fighting this kind of threat would publish a quarterly or annual summary (idk which is plausible) of the threats they've averted, the perceived number of threats they think are lurking out there, the number of cases that have not yet been solved and need to be taken down, etc. etc.

It would help whom and to achieve what? How do we know they're not lying? And how do those numbers justify irreversible surveillance of everyone's most private thoughts?

A terrorist organization isn't going to use Facebook Messenger to discuss their plans, they'll use a vetted application that doesn't have a backdoor.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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I still can’t get over that the UK arrests people over social media posts. Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech?

The US does not have free speech. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/pro-palestinian-... I’m not suggesting the UK is better, btw, just rather that free speech already doesn’t exist anywhere. Some of these you can criticize because they aren’t public universities, and perhaps that’s fair, and the rest you can criticize because they weren’t arrested for protesting, but rather having “illegal encampments”, but…

I think it’s important to not conflate trespassing with speech.

Those people have freedom of speech.

They don’t, however, have the right to occupy private property against the will of the owners.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Orban doesn’t need to crack down on political opposition he has a strong majority in his country.[1] I guess you have a wrong opinion about Hungary and Orban because the media doesn’t like him because he is a pain in the ass for many plans of the European Union and gets bad reporting. Hungary has by the way not even 10 million residents. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungarians-vote-orbans-...

> Hungary has by the way not even 10 million residents. What relevance does the size of Hungary's population have to this conversation?

Just a typical trick that liars use to distract from the main topic.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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The worst thing about this is that we the citizens have to fight this every time, but if this just passes one single time we may lose our rights on this issue forever.

Binding commitments or laws preventing the adoption of this sort of scheme could be lobbied for by citizens, but in reality I think your point holds

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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I still can’t get over that the UK arrests people over social media posts. Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech?

> Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech? Yes, USA is indeed the only country on the planet with absolute free speech. Most residents of other places doesn't actually want what the USA has.

>Yes, USA is indeed the only country on the planet with absolute free speech. Most residents of other places doesn't actually want what the USA has.

The US does not have absolute free speech. Laws exist against slander, libel, perjury and making terroristic threats. The FDA regulates the speech of food producers and pharmaceutical companies. The FCC regulates speech on broadcast television and radio. It's a felony to lie to Congress. It's a felony to call for the assassination of the President.

Even speech in "public squares" is regulated by public nuisance and noise laws and curfews.

Yes, what's considered "hate speech" elsewhere is (mostly) legal in the US. But that doesn't make free speech in the US absolute, just more amenable to forms of racism and bigotry the rest of the world decided weren't worth defending after the consequences of World War 2.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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And it will never disappear from the agenda. Chat control is widely popular among some influential parts of the population. After the attempted terrorist attack in Vienna for the Taylor Swift concert the topic didn’t leave Austrian media. A lot of parents are in favor of this independently of terrorism because of fear of CSAM. There is an awful lot of lobbying going on and given history of EU regulation this can only…

> A lot of parents are in favor of this independently of terrorism because of fear of CSAM. A transparent CSAM checking process would be funny.. Imagine a 18, 19 yo., relatively skinny girl with small breasts (or a guy with a small dick) sending such a picture to her long-term boyfriend (...), and then getting messages from the system: - "hello, our AI thinks your boobs are underage, we sent the photo to police stati…

That is already happening, including the AI and manual renew. One victim was a father sending a photo of his child to his doctor.

"Google’s Scans of Private Photos Led to False Accusations of Child Abuse" (2022)

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/googles-scans-private-...

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Popular across specific but impact parts of the population (parents).

Are there Austrian surveys backing this?

I doubt you would see it on surveys. However there is a lot of very noticeable lobbying about this. Our school has a parent group that organizes events to inform parents about the dangers of social media and online grooming. You will find leaflets, PDFs etc.

If you are interacting with those circles you will find folks who made it their life’s mission to protect children and who are lobbying for this. You donut need a large number of people to sway legislation, you only need determined people.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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And it will never disappear from the agenda. Chat control is widely popular among some influential parts of the population. After the attempted terrorist attack in Vienna for the Taylor Swift concert the topic didn’t leave Austrian media. A lot of parents are in favor of this independently of terrorism because of fear of CSAM. There is an awful lot of lobbying going on and given history of EU regulation this can only…

On the other hand, there are EU countries like Lithuania, which have a very privacy-conscious culture, and have not had any meaningful terror attacks for nearly all their history. The last notable one was 30 years ago[0]. No one died. In Lithuania, privacy is quite meaningfully enshrined in its constitution[1]. I remember that Google StreetView faced significant regulatory challenges in simply photographing people’s…

Lithuania? Just pitch it as a way to fight back against Russia, and it will pass in a jiffy just like all the other anti-russian laws they've been rolling through
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