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EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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#101

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I think the fascism you're looking for is in the UK and France this month.

I still can’t get over that the UK arrests people over social media posts. Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech?

We’re rapidly approaching that reality, yes.

Maybe Switzerland?

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#102

This could be abused in any number of ways and would probably make people and their precious children less safe in the long run rather than more safe. You can be sure Viktor Orban would use it to crack down on political opposition in Hungary, for example. In the wrong hands, could be used to have these precious children or their parents killed or worse. Authoritarian governments often do things, or threaten to do thi…

Orban doesn’t need to crack down on political opposition he has a strong majority in his country.[1] I guess you have a wrong opinion about Hungary and Orban because the media doesn’t like him because he is a pain in the ass for many plans of the European Union and gets bad reporting. Hungary has by the way not even 10 million residents. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungarians-vote-orbans-...

> Hungary has by the way not even 10 million residents.

What relevance does the size of Hungary's population have to this conversation?

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#103

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As far as I know Orban changed the electoral law, he uses the votes from Hungarians outside Hungary (weird to vote for shit that does not affect you), the people in cities are not voting for him so he gets the votes from uneducated people that do not know a foreign language and get indoctrinated by the Orban controlled media. He is also super corrupt and Putin fanboy so most online English support he gets are from Ru…

You are getting responses about expatriate voting. That's not what he did. Before WWII, Hungary was much larger. After, a large portion was ceded to Romania. He used a sudden super-majority to grant those people the right to vote. Subsequently, his political party has even held political conferences in Romania. Those Romanians are not Hungarian citizens. They mostly do not suffer the consequences Orban's policy decis…

Yes this is definitely what the parent comment was getting at, he gave voting rights to diaspora ethnic Hungarians: “Orban granted citizenship and the right to vote in Hungarian elections to more than a million Hungarians living in neighbouring countries. At the last election, 95% of those who voted backed Fidesz.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/Viktor_Orban

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the fascism you're looking for is in the UK and France this month.

I still can’t get over that the UK arrests people over social media posts. Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech?

The US does not have free speech. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/pro-palestinian-... I’m not suggesting the UK is better, btw, just rather that free speech already doesn’t exist anywhere. Some of these you can criticize because they aren’t public universities, and perhaps that’s fair, and the rest you can criticize because they weren’t arrested for protesting, but rather having “illegal encampments”, but a rose by any other name is still a rose.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#105
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>Why should drug cartels have free and EASY access to such wonderful encrypted sales platform?

Why shouldn't they? When i buy drugs it's a whole load of fucking about because they're illegal where I am, but not illegal just 40km away. Free and EASY apps reduce the friction. Win.

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#106

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SCHUFA for Germany. They want to get your bank payments next. If your score is bad (which can be if you live in a neighbourhood which is "bad") you can't get loans or other contracts like for mobile data.

But that's not a "social credit" it's literally a credit score

If it's based in part on where you live rather than your history of paying bills on time, debt to income ratio, and net worth, it's not just a credit score.

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#107
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Btw after Hungary got the Presidency of the Council of the European Union[1] in July Orban made a trip to Ukraine[2] which was fine for the media until he went directly afterwards to Russia and then to China[3] which the media didn’t took very well. To finish off his trip he went to the USA to meet and endorse Trump.[4] The media wasn’t really happy with that either. But overall he is one of the only European leaders…

> tries to stop the conflict in Ukraine Afaik only cares about cheap gas, the rest is irrelevant.

If that's what hungarians want, cheap gas, he's working for hungarians, he's their president, i don't know what's wrong with that.

I mean.. ask an average american, cut support for ukraine and in turn get cheaper gas.. what would a Billy or Bobby in texas say?

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#108
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Okay, so all Western societies are bound to go surveillance state in near future, unchecked by judicial forces and social credit systems to top it off. It will happen and we can only postpone it. What is the response to that of the technologically competent segment of society? Will this give birth to a rogue cyberpunk culture of hackers and cowboys? Or are we facing an era resembling a black mirror episode with smile…

You cannot fix society’s problems through technical means, every technology workaround around a bad law can be countered by legal/judicial controls. Invasive conservative policies always see upticks in times of social upheaval. We live in a time with a high rate of change, and people want stability and control, and vote for politicians and policies that deliver that. Make people feel safe and stable and they’ll stop…

Not sure what society's problems are you hinting at, but private communication is just a technical problem and has technical soultions. Even if it turns out to be a bit of a cat/mouse game in practice. Technical solutions often work on individual level, work right now, and work even if majority of people don't care to implement the political soultion.

If competent individuals will want private communication, they will have it regardless of what minor distopia EU politicians will dream up.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#109
post #88

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I think the fascism you're looking for is in the UK and France this month.

I've seen a few recent videos out of the UK that made my blood boil. Police visits to your home because of mean posts, and then off to jail in handcuffs. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Ridiculous hyperbole. Log off twitter.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#110

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As far as I know Orban changed the electoral law, he uses the votes from Hungarians outside Hungary (weird to vote for shit that does not affect you), the people in cities are not voting for him so he gets the votes from uneducated people that do not know a foreign language and get indoctrinated by the Orban controlled media. He is also super corrupt and Putin fanboy so most online English support he gets are from Ru…

You are getting responses about expatriate voting. That's not what he did. Before WWII, Hungary was much larger. After, a large portion was ceded to Romania. He used a sudden super-majority to grant those people the right to vote. Subsequently, his political party has even held political conferences in Romania. Those Romanians are not Hungarian citizens. They mostly do not suffer the consequences Orban's policy decis…

> Those Romanians are not Hungarian citizens.

Those “Romanians” are absolutely Hungarian citizens, as it is a precondition to voting in Hungarian elections.

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