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Defying court orders can get you arrested in any country even if you and others deem them to be “too arbitrary”
That was not the point I was making. In any case your point applies to defying the monarch too, which might be more applicable here.
"People who use VPN to access X will be subject to daily fines of US$8,900" Edit: Thanks for this user https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41404325 for posting the court order and bringing this new information: Apple and Google must remove all VPN apps from their stores! Apple and Google must DELETE all VPN apps already installed on users' phones!!! https://apnews.com/article/brazil-musk-x-suspended-de-moraes...
Wow! I had to check with local news, because I couldn't believe it. It checks out, he did impose the fine. (It's R$50k if somebody is as uninformed as I was.)
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The courts threatened to arrest his legal representation if he didn't comply with their demands to take down accounts accused of spreading misinformation and hate speech. So Elon closed all offices in Brasil. You think he should risk having an employee thrown in jail?
Defying a court order can get you arrested in any country.
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In what way? Musk decides what's OK and not OK on twitter. Twitter isn't a platform to promote democracy, it promotes what Musk wants. Twitter has turned into hot garbage. For years my feed was pretty clean as it's almost exclusively tech. Gave it up recently as it was clogged with right-wing conspiracy, odd videos and random made up AI young women randomly following me occasionally.
That's ridiculous. You think Elon Musk goes around reading people's tweets and deciding what he wants or not? Or trained an AI model to only allow content that suits him? The guy literally gets community-noted every once in a while. It's free speech.
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The courts threatened to arrest his legal representation if he didn't comply with their demands to take down accounts accused of spreading misinformation and hate speech. So Elon closed all offices in Brasil. You think he should risk having an employee thrown in jail?
It feels fairly arbitrary from the outside because they complied with similarly gross takedown demands in Turkey and India; https://www.businessinsider.com/free-speech-censorship-elon-... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accuse...
If you think Elon is doing this to defend "freedom of speech" I have a beautiful bridge to sell you.
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Yes - there is a law that you need to have legal representation in Brazil and Musk is just flouting the law. So shutdown it is for Musk
That came after the judge's order to block the accounts. That is a secondary issue, not the primary one. On that topic, can you speak to the judge's orders to freeze the bank accounts of X's legal representative, even after she had resigned? What's the deal there?
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The orders of the brazilian court are just too arbitrary, and not just in this case. At some point it ceases to be a judicial court and becomes more of an Emperor's court where the Emperor is making laws as he is going on.
Defying court orders can get you arrested in any country even if you and others deem them to be “too arbitrary”
Also I'm not sure it's very common for courts to arrest lawyers (and basically use them as hostages) because of their clients actions in most countries.
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All Elon needs to do is have a legal representative in Brazil for his commercial venture. He chose this.
I don't really understand the pro-authoritarian stance.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a widespread fallacy. Attitudes like that gave us alliance with Stalin once, and subsequent 40 years of a Cold War.
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What's the structural link between X and Starlink?
Both are owned by Musk. I know that is too simple, but that is relatively common in Brazil (to easily link companies because they share owners or shareholders)
Musk is shareholder of Starlink, but there are many others. This is kind of thing is only used in cause of fraud like a person who puts other company in name of a third party to avoid fines.
It also shows foreign investors that investing in Brazil is unsafe.