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Japan was the future but it's stuck in the past (2023)

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Re: Japan was the future but it's stuck in the past (2023)

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I traveled to Japan and Vietnam last year. I got far faster Internet speeds in Vietnam. Sometimes double or triple the speed.

Interesting. Where in Japan and where in Vietnam? And when in Vietnam was it via Vintel [EDIT: Viettel - doh I need my noon coffee]?

Japan: Tokyo Vietnam: Ho Chi Minh city

Vintel, yes. I also noticed free wifi at restaurant and cafes were much faster in Vietnam as well.

Re: Japan was the future but it's stuck in the past (2023)

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Lived in Japan. I think world will come to realize that Japan's past is also the world's future.

This plays out in every community, at every scale. What communities are other communities' futures and never pasts?

California & San Francisco: All of their problems are foreshadowing what is going to happen in other parts of the US; all of their strengths are also coming to other places.

Even within San Francisco, is Valencia St the future or past of tony Chestnut St?

When you think about bad shit happening, and then how we only seem capable of reactive, rather than proactive politics, seems obvious. Problems have to become catastrophic before anyone deals with them, and all the problems left are the ones are small, but growing.

Re: Japan was the future but it's stuck in the past (2023)

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US tried very hard after ww2 to make japan to be "the future" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_economic_miracle). But as it is said in this article (not with these words), the neoliberalism is not compatible. The youngs are literaly dying of too much work and what it wants to summarize is 'the old are still in power', 'samurais that surrended'. It all is just neoliberal ideology. All these contradictions are roting its society.

Re: Japan was the future but it's stuck in the past (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. Where in Japan and where in Vietnam? And when in Vietnam was it via Vintel [EDIT: Viettel - doh I need my noon coffee]?

Japan: Tokyo Vietnam: Ho Chi Minh city Vintel, yes. I also noticed free wifi at restaurant and cafes were much faster in Vietnam as well.

> Ho Chi Minh city

D1 and D3?

And yea Vintel [EDIT: Viettel - doh I need my noon coffee] makes sense - they're the military monopoly on telecom in Vietnam.

Vintel was always slow for me, but they were also trying to MITM and my setup was always evading that.

Who was your mobile operator in Japan?

Re: Japan was the future but it's stuck in the past (2023)

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Lived in Japan. I think world will come to realize that Japan's past is also the world's future.

Agreed. Japan's "lost decade" started 10-20 years before the rest of many Western (e.g. United States) and non-Western nations (e.g. People's Republic of China, Republic of Korea, etc).

Re: Japan was the future but it's stuck in the past (2023)

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>"Well, you would need to learn our way of life. It wouldn't be easy." The village was on the path to extinction, yet the thought of it being invaded by "outsiders" was somehow worse.

throwing foreign people into a country without them adaption the culture is not reviving that country but changing it which on a longer time scale is the same as that country (read culture) dying. nobody would claim old empire are still alive because on there rubble a country stands today.

Re: Japan was the future but it's stuck in the past (2023)

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Lived in Japan. I think world will come to realize that Japan's past is also the world's future.

Agreed. Japan's "lost decade" started 10-20 years before the rest of many Western (e.g. United States) and non-Western nations (e.g. People's Republic of China, Republic of Korea, etc).

The US had a lost decade similar to Japan in the 90s during the 1970s-80s with similar convos of a rapidly aging and backwards society (https://www.nytimes.com/1981/05/24/us/rise-of-elderly-popula... // "malaise forever" - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czfKPaypNsU)

The biggest difference was the US was able to leverage white collar immigration to develop a substantial lead in the computing industry by the mid-90s.

SK is probably going to hit a similar bust like Japan's soon (they're basically following the same cycle as Japan except with a 25-30 years lag)

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