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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by ams6110 »

barista wrote: post #119
RyanMcGreal wrote: post #116

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Joel Spolsky famously wrote about those competing imperatives in a 2004 essay on the API war: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html "There are two opposing forces inside Microsoft, which I will refer to, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as The Raymond Chen Camp and The MSDN Magazine Camp." The former is obsessed with backwards compatibility, and the latter is obsessed with the Next New Thing. Spolsky's thesis w…

Spolsky worked at Microsoft years ago. Not sure how relevant and current his knowledge is...

He wrote that piece in 2004, though.

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Post by swang »

marcuschristie wrote: post #160
swang wrote: post #146

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My original iPad is now legacy barely more than 2 years after it's release. It's last available update is from June 6, 2011. So essentially about 1 year and 2 months of support.

Huh? 5.1.1 just came out last month: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1521

You're right. Not sure why I had June 6th of last year. So it should be 2 years+ after release.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by jimbobimbo »

huggyface wrote: post #136
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #71

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MS isn't going after Apple. It probably can't, but it knows that if it delivers tablets and phones that can integrate with AD, Exchange, and other enterprise services and be a lot less locked down, they can steal Android's lunch and create a business friendly phone/tablet ecosystem. If Joe and Jane Public buy those, that's great too. Oh, and they will because they'll feel comfortable with Windows, especially if they…

MS isn't going after Apple. Microsoft is absolutely going after Apple. Apple is making inroads into business -- and with that influence and control over enterprise choices -- and Microsoft rightly sees the threat. On the Venn diagram of needs that a device satisfies, WP7 and now 8 overlaps the iPhone far more than it overlaps Android. Oh, and they will because they'll feel comfortable with Windows, especially if they…

"That was what led to the Windows CE disaster."

No. What led to the Windows CE disaster was what Google is (was, until ICS?) doing with Android: let OEMs customize UX the hell out of it and go bananas on cutting h/w components costs to the bone.

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decode wrote: post #109
sjwright wrote: post #62

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> Are you forgetting that they're also still king of the consumer desktop? They're probably still the majority shareholder, but I wouldn't call them kings. And if they are kings, they're leading a dying kingdom. Have you seen the iPad sales numbers recently?

> And if they are kings, they're leading a dying kingdom. Have you seen the iPad sales numbers recently? Here are the Q1 2012 numbers: PC sales [1]: 88.9 million iPad sales [2]: 11.8 million About 13% as many iPad sales as PC sales. While the iPad sales are impressive, it doesn't seem like PCs are dying yet. [1] http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1981717 [2] http://www.abiresearch.com/press/3919

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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by onetwothreefour »

freehunter wrote: post #130
glhaynes wrote: post #49

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We could just as easily say "twice in 2 years, or once every year" since the first WP7 devices shipped in late 2010 and WP8 will be out by end of 2012.

That's ignoring the long history of Windows Mobile from 2002 to 2010 though.

That history is irrelevant since we're talking about Windows Phone and not Windows Mobile.

Did HN get over-run by MS employees or something? What the hell is going on! :)

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by onetwothreefour »

KeyBoardG wrote: post #104
cantbecool wrote: post #3

Not even an upgrade even for the Lumina?

Lumia will get WinPhone 7.8 which includes all the UI updates but leaves out the features which requires more advanced hardware.

LOL.

Native languages do not "require more advanced hardware", since you can already use native languages on iOS and Android hardware.

Are you people brainwashed? WP7 is dead.

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Post by barista »

SigmundA wrote: post #169
WrkInProgress wrote: post #153

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And the quarter before that ... the entertainment & devices division made $528 million. Here are the last six quarters prior to Q3 2012, all profitable http://betanews.com/2011/10/20/microsoft-q1-2012-by-the-numb... http://betanews.com/2011/07/21/microsoft-q4-2011-by-the-numb... http://betanews.com/2011/04/28/microsoft-q3-2011-by-the-numb... http://betanews.com/2011/01/27/microsoft-q2-2011-by-the-numb... http://betan…

And yet the Xbox still hasn't recouped it's losses total. A few profitable quarters does not make up for years of losses. Here are some charts for you to make it painfully clear which divisions are profitable and keep MS running: http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-microsoft-lo... http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-microsoft-pr...

You are assuming that the brand are business are done. At the end of all the investment Microsoft has a great consumer brand name and a beachhead in living room. What is that worth to you? To call it a loss, what makes you assume that the business will at best run at break-even and won't make any profits, or Microsoft won't be able to leverage the existing xbox brand to sell additional Services/products?

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Post by huggyface »

jimbobimbo wrote: post #173
huggyface wrote: post #136

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MS isn't going after Apple. Microsoft is absolutely going after Apple. Apple is making inroads into business -- and with that influence and control over enterprise choices -- and Microsoft rightly sees the threat. On the Venn diagram of needs that a device satisfies, WP7 and now 8 overlaps the iPhone far more than it overlaps Android. Oh, and they will because they'll feel comfortable with Windows, especially if they…

"That was what led to the Windows CE disaster." No. What led to the Windows CE disaster was what Google is (was, until ICS?) doing with Android: let OEMs customize UX the hell out of it and go bananas on cutting h/w components costs to the bone.

This is so astonishingly detached from reality that I don't know where to begin.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by huggyface »

wavephorm wrote: post #170
huggyface wrote: post #107

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I can easily see them supplant Android as the "anything but Apple" option. Do you really imagine that the hundreds of millions of Android users chose "anything but Apple"? This mirrors the iPad discussion. People want a device to fill needs. Anyone who thinks this isn't competition with the iPhone is an imbecile.

Do you really imagine that the hundreds of millions of Android users chose "anything but Apple"? Yes I believe this is true. There are very few redeeming qualities that an Android tablet has over an iPad. Likewise the people I know with Android phones either couldn't afford an iPhone, don't want one due to philosophical issues, or just wanted a simple feature-less cell phone and an Android phone was the same price. P…

You clearly exist within an Apple fan bubble. Your opinion has zero correlation with reality and you didn't even understand the point I was making. Rather I would say that you couldn't understand it.
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