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A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Post by nradov »

bumby wrote: post #467
nradov wrote: post #409

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Your point still makes no sense. Everyone is subsidized by taxpayers to some extent. We all receive a variety of government benefits, tax credits, etc. As for a "business plan", that's a total joke. In the real world most small businesses have no real plan. They just make it up as they go and try to survive another day. If you think that unskilled workers should be paid more then how much exactly? Please be specific.…

> If you think that unskilled workers should be paid more then how much exactly? Please be specific. This is one of those pushbacks you see on social media that is used like a gotcha but it’s fairly useless because you and I know it can’t be encapsulated into a forum-sized answer any more than the question “what should a company charge for it’s product, and be specific.” The answer is it depends. At the risk of sound…

The estimated living wage in Manhattan is about $43 per hour. So are you proposing that restaurants in Manhattan should be required to pay that much for unskilled labor, regardless of the value they generate?

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Post by Iulioh »

sbierwagen wrote: post #423
Iulioh wrote: post #387

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I don't really think that this is really possible. Robots like this are pretty common in the industry (like the mechanical industry) and one costs around 50k and we already produce them at scale. How much can they lease it for, in your opinion?

Consider PV solar: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-prices-vs-cumula... In 2003, PV panels were a pretty darn mature technology. The technology was decades old. Modules cost about $5 a watt, one twenty fifth the price they were in 1975. More than two gigawatts of them had been installed worldwide. (Millions of panels!) No way could they fall in price by half , right? Surprise. By 2010 another 38 gigawatts…

I'm not talking about mature technology or not, we already mass produce then, that's my point.

The components inside them are pretty standard too

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Post by bumby »

nradov wrote: post #471
bumby wrote: post #467

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> If you think that unskilled workers should be paid more then how much exactly? Please be specific. This is one of those pushbacks you see on social media that is used like a gotcha but it’s fairly useless because you and I know it can’t be encapsulated into a forum-sized answer any more than the question “what should a company charge for it’s product, and be specific.” The answer is it depends. At the risk of sound…

The estimated living wage in Manhattan is about $43 per hour. So are you proposing that restaurants in Manhattan should be required to pay that much for unskilled labor, regardless of the value they generate?

Where someone works != where someone lives. If I work remotely for a SV firm, I don’t necessarily have to be paid SV wages. I’m proposing Manhattan restaurants should not be subsidized by taxpayers when they don’t pay a livable wage in order to make a profit. What I’ve said before is that profits should be capped to a reasonable amount if taxpayers are subsidizing a business to a reasonable degree through welfare benefits. That doesn’t require paying $43/hr unless the owners want uncapped profits.

To use your own turn of phrase, get some “actual skills” at creating a profitable business.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Post by neilv »

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Related to the importance and underappreciated status of dishwashers... I only sometimes washed dishes at middle school. If you wanted the cafeteria "hot lunch", but your parents didn't pay for it, you could get it that day by volunteering to wash everyone's trays, in lieu of recess. Personally, I think this wasn't a great lesson. In the current very inequitable US environment, I support simply giving nutritious food…

I think this is terrible mostly because it is inequitable. In Japan, it is customary for elementary school children, all of them, to be doing the food distribution and cleaning. (who is doing what rotates.) https://youtu.be/fze5s1SlqB8?si=lr9eskf1ty9vqE7k&t=123

I think I like this idea in general, especially if children rotate through all the chores.

And in moderation, so children have lots of unstructured time to play and learn and socialize on their own.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Post by greentxt »

mckn1ght wrote: post #368
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The difference between construction and the kitchen is that if I mess up in the kitchen we're out probably less than $100. If I mess up in construction we're out significantly more in particular if it's a commercial construction job.

There is another kind of mistake than can be made besides procedural. My worst safety screwups in foodservice were 2 things: cutting through my fingernail and about 2/3 of my entire fingertip with a brand new chefs knife (looked away at somebody barking something in my ear while rapidly chiffonading basil) and plunging my entire hand into a deep fryer (slipped while wiping down the edge of the oil vat–again, rushing)…

Had a childhood friend die when a frame wall fell on him. Dishwasing is hard but it makes your skin soft, and you probably won't die from the job.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Post by kjs3 »

infecto wrote: post #417
kjs3 wrote: post #246

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I am all for fair wages No, you're very obviously not. This line of argument is the very poster child of "if you're not doing something I think is important (and, apparently having clean dishes at a restaurant is by your own words "fairly low value") like being 'innovative' or 'creative', you are of little value and don't deserve adequate pay". Were you twisting your Mises Institute wristband fondly while writing it?

Do you have an actual counter point or do you just attack people. What’s the emptiness feel like?

I don't like what you said, so I'll pretend you didn't say anything. What's being intellectually vapid feel like.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Post by Iulioh »

Animats wrote: post #396
Iulioh wrote: post #387

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I don't really think that this is really possible. Robots like this are pretty common in the industry (like the mechanical industry) and one costs around 50k and we already produce them at scale. How much can they lease it for, in your opinion?

Cobot prices are dropping. This article claims $20K for a mid-range unit.[1] Nala shows two robots, one at the dirty end and one at the clean end of the dishwasher. Dishwashing is a good opportunity for robots. There are many potential customers for a relatively standardized product. It's much easier than automated cooking. There are other dishwashing robots. Useful for cafeterias, maybe.[2] Cute, but not too useful.…

Even according to the link you posted [1], you need computer vision so the price would start at 35k

The 20k cobot would be the "blind" kind that is only useful in fully automated lines thst deal with the same type of product, not a dishwasher with a lot of variables

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Post by triyambakam »

harmmonica wrote: post #333

Can't resist sharing my own experience as a dishwasher though given the number of comments no one's going to read this... I was a dishwasher (and everything else) at your standard suburban Italian deli for a couple years in high school. Italian delis are famous for their cold deli sandwiches, but also for things like bacon, egg and cheeses for the breakfast crowd, and chicken cutlet, chicken parm, sausage and pepper,…

Thanks for sharing that

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Post by eszed »

nradov wrote: post #344
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Please notice that you are responding to a position the GP did not take. He said > people can choose whether they work or stay home raising a family, and nobody _has_ to work to make ends meet. Parents who leave paid employment to raise children are far from "sit[ing] around and do[ing] nothing". If we value future conditions (even restricting that calculation only to economic productivity, though I'd argue other con…

In the US we have a Child Tax Credit which is available to almost all parents regardless of employment status. This is a direct credit, not just an income tax deduction. So as a society we are investing resources in raising children, although I suppose you could argue that the amount ought to be higher. https://www.benefits.gov/benefit/938

It's $1000. I would not expect that to effect even the most-impoverished family's life choices.
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