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Thoughts on the Durov Arrest

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Re: Thoughts on the Durov Arrest

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Post by Arathorn »

fsflover wrote: post #191
NayamAmarshe wrote: post #125

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> Signal already supports groups up to 1000 people iirc, Which is where the practicality fails. This is why Telegram is the only app that works in large protests, unlike Signal. Time and again, Telegram proves that the lack of E2EE actually becomes its strength, as proven by the protestors in Myanmar, Hong Kong, Iran and more countries: https://x.com/Pinboard/status/1474096410383421452 I'm not really against E2EE, bu…

> Matrix could be better but it leaks tons of data Unless you use your server or a trusted one. > has been hacked multiple times in the past too Any links? Looks like it was long ago.

suspect the author is referring to https://matrix.org/blog/2019/04/11/we-have-discovered-and-ad... and also missed the point that the breach didn’t compromise any e2ee data, because of e2ee.

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Post by lxgr »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #32
danpalmer wrote: post #21

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I found it interesting to read that their approach is supposedly to split encryption keys across jurisdictions. It sounds like they believe that they should therefore not be able to be compelled to reveal any plaintext because the keys are not in the jurisdiction asking for data, but as far as I can tell this is obviously rubbish, because a computer is not subject to the law, an individual is, and in this case an ind…

> that there aren't really technical blockers to E2E encryption anymore There are several disadvantages, and Telegram would lose its key features: 1. Cloud Sync 2. Instant Multi-device login 3. The ability to create large group chats, like thousands or hundreds of thousands of people in a single place. 4. Sending files up to 4GB.

> 1. Cloud Sync

Cloud Sync of what? WhatsApp doesn't seem any less "cloud synced" than Telegram to me.

> 2. Instant Multi-device login

What does that mean?

> 3. The ability to create large group chats, like thousands or hundreds of thousands of people in a single place.

MLS scales very well to such large groups: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9420/

> 4. Sending files up to 4GB.

How so? WhatsApp, Signal, iMessage and others all support sending files. File size isn't a factor (assuming you're fine with leaking the metadata of who has received the same file).

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Post by konart »

tucnak wrote: post #219
squidbeak wrote: post #167

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If Ukrainian drone teams and others are using it to publish their footage, in what sense is it not being used by the Ukrainian military?

In the sense that it's not used for military communications.

I seriously doubt you will be able to prove it.

Ukrainian military bloggers use it, their public persons use it and while there is probably an an order that dictates not to use it - I really doubt it is being followed completely considering the vast majority of Ukrainian military are yesterdays conscripts and not professional soldiers. Some of them drink, some of them sell their equipment, some of them gamble.

I really doubt they don't use telegram. Maybe it is not systemic but neither this is for Russia.

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Post by tucnak »

konart wrote: post #227
tucnak wrote: post #219

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In the sense that it's not used for military communications.

I seriously doubt you will be able to prove it. Ukrainian military bloggers use it, their public persons use it and while there is probably an an order that dictates not to use it - I really doubt it is being followed completely considering the vast majority of Ukrainian military are yesterdays conscripts and not professional soldiers. Some of them drink, some of them sell their equipment, some of them gamble. I real…

Our military's comms are over Matrix/Element, Whatsapp, Signal (in the descending order of significance.) Officers are trained to avoid Telegram just like the other known-to-be-compromised communication channels.

Nobody who's got a secret to keep would use it.

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