Telegram founder charged with wide range of crimes in France

Is there any website owner with a million users who can't be held accountable for the same crimes? According to the logic in France, since criminals use Windows, the CEO of Microsoft could also be blamed.

Re: Telegram founder charged with wide range of crimes in France

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Post by actionfromafar » Thu, Aug 29, 2024, 6:42 AM UTC

pikseladam wrote: post #4

Is there any website owner with a million users who can't be held accountable for the same crimes? According to the logic in France, since criminals use Windows, the CEO of Microsoft could also be blamed.

I have not read the charges, but do you mean the charges are literally like that?

Or that the charges are false?

Or that the charges are true but only enforced because they want him for other reasons?

Re: Telegram founder charged with wide range of crimes in France

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Post by thefz » Thu, Aug 29, 2024, 6:50 AM UTC

pikseladam wrote: post #4

Is there any website owner with a million users who can't be held accountable for the same crimes? According to the logic in France, since criminals use Windows, the CEO of Microsoft could also be blamed.

> According to the logic in France, since criminals use Windows, the CEO of Microsoft could also be blamed

What a superficial take. Following the same logic, highway management would be held accountable if a killer used one of their roads to go and commit a crime.

But for platform providers, they (the providers) have the responsibility to moderate the content that is hosted publicly on their platforms. Which most of the content on Telegram is. And if some illegal material is there, they (the providers) have the responsibility to take it offline.

Do you have any idea how much, let's say Meta, spends in terms of money and manpower to prevent this? How much moderation goes on for most of the platforms? Read about regulations in France (SREN law IIRC).

Re: Telegram founder charged with wide range of crimes in France

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Post by WhereIsTheTruth » Thu, Aug 29, 2024, 6:52 AM UTC

pikseladam wrote: post #4

Is there any website owner with a million users who can't be held accountable for the same crimes? According to the logic in France, since criminals use Windows, the CEO of Microsoft could also be blamed.

Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta, X(Twitter), Instagram, Snapchat, Whatsapp

They all cooperate with governments: https://www.engadget.com/authorities-reportedly-ordered-goog...

In fact, google is partly CIA/NSA

https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci...

Re: Telegram founder charged with wide range of crimes in France

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Post by sofixa » Thu, Aug 29, 2024, 6:54 AM UTC

Arnt wrote: post #2

https://archive.is/wDlpb I found it a little low on detail, though.

From the horse's mouth, in French and English, the official press statement from the Prosecutor's office (it's a PDF):

https://www.tribunal-de-paris.justice.fr/sites/default/files...

It's a laundry list of accessory to commit crimes + a few interesting associated ones like organising to commit crimes, and laundering the proceeds of crimes.

Re: Telegram founder charged with wide range of crimes in France

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Post by Foobar8568 » Thu, Aug 29, 2024, 6:54 AM UTC

pikseladam wrote: post #4

Is there any website owner with a million users who can't be held accountable for the same crimes? According to the logic in France, since criminals use Windows, the CEO of Microsoft could also be blamed.

Maybe these websites cooperate unlike Telegram? First paragraph or second one from the article:

"Telegram has played a role in multiple criminal cases in France tied to child sexual abuse, drug trafficking and online hate crimes, but has shown a “near-total absence” of response to requests for cooperation from law enforcement, Ms. Beccuau said."

Re: Telegram founder charged with wide range of crimes in France

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Post by stanislavb » Thu, Aug 29, 2024, 6:55 AM UTC

Some interesting facts:

- Durov is, according to him, living in exile outside of Russia since 2014 - due to Russian gov persecution.

- Since his "exile" - he has travelled 50-60 times to Russia https://www.reddit.com/r/Telegram/comments/1f2pgg3/pavel_dur...

- Most Russian billionaires that live in exile and are persecuted by the RU gov fall from windows (or something tall) quite often. Durov has been living lavishly though.

- Russia is trying to protect him now that he is being charged.

i.e. a lot of odd and contradicting moments.