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Why is the Oral-B iOS app almost 300 MB? And why is Colgate's app even bigger..?

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> link up with friends! Competitive brushing!

That is the first thing I see in this thread that has a remote chance of being a legitimate feature! There are people who have trouble brushing regularly, and perhaps it could help some of them.

(You know what? Great point, actually ...)

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I'm surprised that health insurance companies haven't started offering "good brusher" discounts the way car insurance companies offer a "good driver" discount when you use their car data logging device/app.

I fucking hate this dystopian future we've already entered. It's only a matter of time until every car on the road is connected to the internet and has the "good driver" logging built-in and automatically sent to your insurer. They'll also know exactly where you've driven to and when via GPS. Then they'll offer you discounts on the restaurants and stores you frequently drive to, and everyone will love it and tell ME…

People advertising such benefits are simply smarter than the victims of it. Same is true for loyalty coupons. Of course in the medium to long run you don't save a penny because advertisers know your price flexibility down to the last cent. You just fail to notice and have no reference to real values.

Re: Why is the Oral-B iOS app almost 300 MB? And why is Colgate's app even bigger..?

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The Oral-B app was fun a few years ago when it was fairly lightweight, showed an up-to-date current world events news feed, while logging data into apple health and encouraging a brushing streak. Then they rewrote the entire app and it lost almost all of those features. I never opened the app once after the first run after the upgrade. Really makes me wish for an iOS app store that would allow installing older versio…

Thank you! I worked on that one. For the rest of the discussion I’ll stay quite now

Re: Why is the Oral-B iOS app almost 300 MB? And why is Colgate's app even bigger..?

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Today people make software with only financial gains in mind. The software is not made with passion, by passionate professionals. Someone should start a list with crappy software like these, and a list with highly optimized and efficient software. I propose Total Commander for Windows, Spinrite.

Re: Why is the Oral-B iOS app almost 300 MB? And why is Colgate's app even bigger..?

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An electric toothbrush is better than a regular toothbrush for the same reason that your dental hygienist doesn't use a regular toothbrush for your biyearly cleanings.

Okay, so it is better. How much better is it? I don't use an electric toothbrush, I haven't had a cavity since childhood. Why do I need a better toothbrush? Can the cost be justified?

I would agree it's marginally better, particularly around the back teeth where it's hard to move a regular brush back and forth very much.

But in general if you spend 2-3 minutes brushing with a conventional toothbrush, that's going to be good enough if you're also seeing a dentist regularly to remove tartar and check for cavities.

The problem most people have with a regular toothbrush is they brush like a madman for 20-30 seconds and that's just not enough. That's another advantage of the electric brushes, they run on a timed cycle which is a lot longer than most people would brush on their own.

Re: Why is the Oral-B iOS app almost 300 MB? And why is Colgate's app even bigger..?

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The app can tell you which teeth are correctly cleaned (i.e. you spend enough time on it) and which teeth you forgot or went too fast. Personally I just used it once and ended up removing it, but I can see some people using it to ensure their brushing is efficient. Anyway, it's completely optional, you can just use the brush ignoring the existence of the app.

That’s actually kind of cool. That’s exactly the sort of feedback that gets me to do things correctly. Detailed feedback has enabled me to consistently work out, wake up early and eat healthy. They’ve helped me keep those good habits going for 4 years now. I’m the kind of guy these apps are built for.

I am really interested, what do you use for waking up early?

Re: Why is the Oral-B iOS app almost 300 MB? And why is Colgate's app even bigger..?

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In my Sonicare, the brush heads have an NFC chip in them that stores the “runtime”. After xx uses an icon starts blinking on the handle and the app will tell you that the brush head needs to be replaced. But at least you’re free to ignore that and continue using it.

For now... Just wait, some bright-eyed underling will undoubtedly see this comment and then pitch their boss: "Man, oh man! I know how we can increase revenue, let's DISABLE brush heads when they hit 90 days and FORCE the user to buy a new one!" You've just doomed us all. >.< hah!

Joke's on them.

> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38752691

Re: Why is the Oral-B iOS app almost 300 MB? And why is Colgate's app even bigger..?

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Okay, so it is better. How much better is it? I don't use an electric toothbrush, I haven't had a cavity since childhood. Why do I need a better toothbrush? Can the cost be justified?

I would agree it's marginally better, particularly around the back teeth where it's hard to move a regular brush back and forth very much. But in general if you spend 2-3 minutes brushing with a conventional toothbrush, that's going to be good enough if you're also seeing a dentist regularly to remove tartar and check for cavities. The problem most people have with a regular toothbrush is they brush like a madman for…

>that's going to be good enough

It's like many tools we use: sure, doing it the old-fashioned way will work well enough if you do it properly, but the new tool makes it easier and more foolproof (and maybe faster), in exchange for higher cost. This doesn't make the new tool bad.

Re: Why is the Oral-B iOS app almost 300 MB? And why is Colgate's app even bigger..?

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The extra code might there to determine your spending habits across other apps and your bank balance and then to determine where you're located so that it can provide information on regional affluence so they can price toothpaste & brushes higher in strategic regions... That's just an example guess, but the bloat is there for a purpose... I'm pretty sure the app gets updated on intervals too, just like so many others…

To be fair, all of that tracking and data collection would still never add up to some 100MB. It's more likely that they have extremely unoptimized assets (images, icons, fonts, time zone data, sounds, etc) and/or are using one of these janky "frameworks" that let you slap together a half-baked "native" app in a few hours by translating your poorly-written JavaScript into poorly-written native code.

Yes, they likely contracted with a third-party development firm to build the app. They didn't pay or even think about optimization. They also didn't think about maintenance. Its likely that they will issue another request for bid when it is time to do another version and the next bid winner will build a new app that is even crappier.
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