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A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #100

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So like the accountant filing your taxes, the person who fixes your bug in the bug report, the electrician adding power to a new room, the plumber fixing a leak?

No. Most of those people are self-employed, so you are usually already paying 100% of the compensation directly to them in the first place. Tipping is for when someone is doing work directly for you, but as an employee of another party.

Do people in the US tip flight attendants who serve them meal?

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So like the accountant filing your taxes, the person who fixes your bug in the bug report, the electrician adding power to a new room, the plumber fixing a leak?

No. Most of those people are self-employed, so you are usually already paying 100% of the compensation directly to them in the first place. Tipping is for when someone is doing work directly for you, but as an employee of another party.

I don't think I've ever had the electrician who showed up to my house or business be the owner. I guess it is possible, I've just never seen it.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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The "heart," but the only mention of pay is $10/hour, and advancement leads to more long nights as a chef in the volatile restaurant industry? Such respect Edit: also, the lip service of the title "porter" - the electric company will surely except that as payment

Honest question, what should they be paid? Its purely manual labor, there is not much if anything to innovate or be creative. The output is fairly binary, clean or not clean. I am all for fair wages but how do we know if $10 is the right price or too low? Interesting how serious questions get so quickly downvoted. I am genuinely curious how you would price a dishwasher when the output is important but the work itself…

I made $10.50/hr washing dishes in 1998 lol it's not a fair wage for anything today, really.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So like the accountant filing your taxes, the person who fixes your bug in the bug report, the electrician adding power to a new room, the plumber fixing a leak?

No. Most of those people are self-employed, so you are usually already paying 100% of the compensation directly to them in the first place. Tipping is for when someone is doing work directly for you, but as an employee of another party.

I guess I will start tipping my dentist and dental hygienist. Also will tip at the DMV

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #23

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If the full time wage can't result in a decent living (housing, food, medical expenses, clothes, feed and clothe a kid or two, and put away a little on the side) then it clearly is too little. Edit: Check out https://livingwage.mit.edu/ for examples based on real-world data.

If the job is unskilled (i.e. you can train the next person to do it in less than one hour) and you have several people standing in line to take it if the person doing it, quits; then the current wage is clearly enough. It is just like the price of the meal. If it costs more than people are willing to pay, then it is too expensive; regardless of what you personally think it should cost.

I’m under the impression that this isn’t the case; restaurants always seem to be hiring, and service is quite poor nowadays due, I guess(?) to understaffing.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #84

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No, tipping is a way of directly compensating people who are directly doing work for you, even in the context of an organization managing the transaction. You tip people who are personally responding to your requests -- that's why the dishwasher and other people you're not directly interacting with don't usually get tipped.

If that was actually true, minimum wage for tipped employees would be equal to the standard minimum wage.

Why? I'm not sure I see how that follows.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So like the accountant filing your taxes, the person who fixes your bug in the bug report, the electrician adding power to a new room, the plumber fixing a leak?

No. Most of those people are self-employed, so you are usually already paying 100% of the compensation directly to them in the first place. Tipping is for when someone is doing work directly for you, but as an employee of another party.

Do you tip your nurses and your bus drivers?

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #79

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I have never had to use rinse aid until recently. I needed to buy a new dishwashers, and it didn't have a heated element for drying (for energy efficiency reasons). Without rinseaid, things stay wet. I tried to do some research on the safety of the chemical, but couldn't find anything online

Searching for "rinse aid epithelial lining" tends to turn up a bunch of relevant results and research.

Commercial rinse aids at commercial application levels

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, tipping is a way of directly compensating people who are directly doing work for you, even in the context of an organization managing the transaction. You tip people who are personally responding to your requests -- that's why the dishwasher and other people you're not directly interacting with don't usually get tipped.

> No, tipping is a way of directly compensating people who are directly doing work for you From a European point of view, this is ludicrous. Why don't workers in the USA receive a salary from their employer instead of resorting to charity from their employer's customers ? How is not paying employees even legal ?

There’s a history in the US (in, like… the 1930s) of attempting to dismantle tipping culture on the grounds that it sets up a degrading servant/master relationship (you choose whether to tip, and how much) that’s inappropriate for a free people.

They were entirely right but didn’t win, for whatever reason.

[edit] I mean, I don’t know why, but if I had to guess, based on the timeframe, I’d guess the reason was racism.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the full time wage can't result in a decent living (housing, food, medical expenses, clothes, feed and clothe a kid or two, and put away a little on the side) then it clearly is too little. Edit: Check out https://livingwage.mit.edu/ for examples based on real-world data.

Why would anyone take the job then, if it didn't provide those things? Also, I have an employee Al who lives with his parents, so he doesn't need to pay anything for housing. Bob is single but has to pay for his own apartment. Carol is a single mom of 4 who needs to pay for her housing and everything for her kids. So should I pay Carol the most, Bob the 2nd most, and then Al the least, even though they're all doing t…

> Why would anyone take the job then, if it didn't provide those things?

Because they are afraid of being homeless?

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