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A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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My summer as a dishwasher made it clear tipping, already deeply stupid, is wildly unfair even to service workers. A lot of people helped you get your meal, but your dishwasher is definitely not tipped.

I thought that tipping is mainly to enable the restaurant owner to avoid paying their workers properly.

Most of the people working in a restaurant don't actually get your tips.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

#82

My summer as a dishwasher made it clear tipping, already deeply stupid, is wildly unfair even to service workers. A lot of people helped you get your meal, but your dishwasher is definitely not tipped.

I thought that tipping is mainly to enable the restaurant owner to avoid paying their workers properly.

Also a nice little tax dodge, at least back of the day when tipping was predominantly done in cash that I'm sure was never declared on the waiters taxes.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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The "heart," but the only mention of pay is $10/hour, and advancement leads to more long nights as a chef in the volatile restaurant industry? Such respect Edit: also, the lip service of the title "porter" - the electric company will surely except that as payment

The article was 2017 - so an inflation correction might apply. (post title should reflect)

$10/hr was a bad wage in 2017 too unless you were in an exceptionally low COL area.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

#84

My summer as a dishwasher made it clear tipping, already deeply stupid, is wildly unfair even to service workers. A lot of people helped you get your meal, but your dishwasher is definitely not tipped.

I thought that tipping is mainly to enable the restaurant owner to avoid paying their workers properly.

No, tipping is a way of directly compensating people who are directly doing work for you, even in the context of an organization managing the transaction. You tip people who are personally responding to your requests -- that's why the dishwasher and other people you're not directly interacting with don't usually get tipped.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Sure, divide and conquer is the prerequisite to allow the non-working-class to exploit actual labor. I say human dignity is non-negotiable. So there should be a legal minimum wage which is automatically adjusted to the living prices of wherever the person you hire is expected to work. If you are unable (or worse: unwilling ) to pay people enough to survive of your work, you are irresponsible and a leech on society th…

This makes the assumption that all workers require a living wage. When I worked as a teenager and throughout college, I didn't need to make a living wage since I either lived with my parents or with roommates (admittedly funded by a combination of work and student loans). During that phase of my life, I didn't require a living wage. I just needed some extra money, and so I was willing to accept lower paying jobs that…

It doesn't matter if you require the living wage or not — there will always be people who don't strictly need it in any society. Just like there will be people on the beach who won't ever need a life guard. Everybody needing a thing is not a precondition for it making sense to exist.

If we want a society without exploitation the simple fix is to lift the minimum wage beyond any value that could be considered exploitation within the given context. Not being able to live off your full time job is certainly exploitation.

If you don't need that much e.g. because you have the luck of having your parents support, don't work the full job then. Easy. Less hours worked, more time to study.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

#86

The "heart," but the only mention of pay is $10/hour, and advancement leads to more long nights as a chef in the volatile restaurant industry? Such respect Edit: also, the lip service of the title "porter" - the electric company will surely except that as payment

Not that underpaid workers aren't an issue, but - in my experience working in kitchens, the owner / person controlling the funds is very rarely actually on the cooking team. And so the respect comes from other team members, not management.

Oh god, get owners out of the kitchen. Unless they're experienced chefs starting their own restaurants (I know some people like this, they're awesome!) owners are much better off away from the food as much as possible.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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My summer as a dishwasher made it clear tipping, already deeply stupid, is wildly unfair even to service workers. A lot of people helped you get your meal, but your dishwasher is definitely not tipped.

I thought that tipping is mainly to enable the restaurant owner to avoid paying their workers properly.

It's a combination of things, but it's similar to why online stores advertise a price, and then add charges at checkout (like shipping, or credit card charge, processing fee, etc).

You entice the customer with the lower price, and once they have committed, you can hit them with another charge or fee without as much ramification.

Restaurant customers can be price sensitive, so tipping is a way to advertise a lower price that isn't actually real. Also, it's pretty ubiquitous, so unless you heavily advertise a no-tipping policy like Kroger delivery, most people will assume tipping is required, and factor that into your now higher price.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought that tipping is mainly to enable the restaurant owner to avoid paying their workers properly.

Also a nice little tax dodge, at least back of the day when tipping was predominantly done in cash that I'm sure was never declared on the waiters taxes.

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Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Honest question, what should they be paid? Its purely manual labor, there is not much if anything to innovate or be creative. The output is fairly binary, clean or not clean. I am all for fair wages but how do we know if $10 is the right price or too low? Interesting how serious questions get so quickly downvoted. I am genuinely curious how you would price a dishwasher when the output is important but the work itself…

If the full time wage can't result in a decent living (housing, food, medical expenses, clothes, feed and clothe a kid or two, and put away a little on the side) then it clearly is too little. Edit: Check out https://livingwage.mit.edu/ for examples based on real-world data.

Why would anyone take the job then, if it didn't provide those things?

Also, I have an employee Al who lives with his parents, so he doesn't need to pay anything for housing.

Bob is single but has to pay for his own apartment.

Carol is a single mom of 4 who needs to pay for her housing and everything for her kids.

So should I pay Carol the most, Bob the 2nd most, and then Al the least, even though they're all doing the same job?

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #79

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I'm quite surprised the majority of people are fine with drinking that stuff. Not just because it noticeably changes the taste of beverages but because it's covered in chemicals and people are fine with it mixing together with their beverage. Our rinse aid is disabled on our dishwasher.

I have never had to use rinse aid until recently. I needed to buy a new dishwashers, and it didn't have a heated element for drying (for energy efficiency reasons). Without rinseaid, things stay wet. I tried to do some research on the safety of the chemical, but couldn't find anything online

Searching for "rinse aid epithelial lining" tends to turn up a bunch of relevant results and research.
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