Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Modern robotics hits Hollywood. IRIS: The most advanced camera rig ever created.

alexandrosmaragos.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 44 posts

Re: Modern robotics hits Hollywood. IRIS: The most advanced camera rig ever created.

#31

Post by robomartin »

Qworg wrote: post #26

I wrote a few comments earlier about this device, but I thought I'd try and sum up my thoughts on it in one post. This is terribly dangerous. Thus far, they've been lucky - nobody has done something wrong or stupid. That said, it cannot last. Putting industrial robots like this on a moving track, and then putting them close to humans at high speed is a recipe for disaster. This system has a 6 meter by track length op…

See my prior post. This is nothing new. Systems like this have been used in the motion picture industry for decades. As far as I know the safety record is perfect. They take that stuff very seriously.

Re: Modern robotics hits Hollywood. IRIS: The most advanced camera rig ever created.

#32

Post by Qworg »

robomartin wrote: post #31
Qworg wrote: post #26

I wrote a few comments earlier about this device, but I thought I'd try and sum up my thoughts on it in one post. This is terribly dangerous. Thus far, they've been lucky - nobody has done something wrong or stupid. That said, it cannot last. Putting industrial robots like this on a moving track, and then putting them close to humans at high speed is a recipe for disaster. This system has a 6 meter by track length op…

See my prior post. This is nothing new. Systems like this have been used in the motion picture industry for decades. As far as I know the safety record is perfect. They take that stuff very seriously.

Except the examples you gave are both NOT what they're proposing here. You had robots well away from humans with hardware systems preventing them from impacting human space. The first example didn't even involve humans.

This system is meant to be used up close and "in the action".

Re: Modern robotics hits Hollywood. IRIS: The most advanced camera rig ever created.

#33

Post by drone »

Qworg wrote: post #32
robomartin wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See my prior post. This is nothing new. Systems like this have been used in the motion picture industry for decades. As far as I know the safety record is perfect. They take that stuff very seriously.

Except the examples you gave are both NOT what they're proposing here. You had robots well away from humans with hardware systems preventing them from impacting human space. The first example didn't even involve humans. This system is meant to be used up close and "in the action".

That is not true at all. Milo and its little brethren have been used for many years, in place and with the actors. In case you missed the notes about it, these systems come with detection, fail-safes, and kill switches to prevent issues. And -always- have a human operator in final control of them.

See, for example: http://www.mrmoco.com/images/rigs/talos/img5-fullsize.jpg

Re: Modern robotics hits Hollywood. IRIS: The most advanced camera rig ever created.

#34

Post by robomartin »

Qworg wrote: post #32
robomartin wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See my prior post. This is nothing new. Systems like this have been used in the motion picture industry for decades. As far as I know the safety record is perfect. They take that stuff very seriously.

Except the examples you gave are both NOT what they're proposing here. You had robots well away from humans with hardware systems preventing them from impacting human space. The first example didn't even involve humans. This system is meant to be used up close and "in the action".

I just gave two use cases and you chose to generalize from there. MOCO rigs have been used in just about every application you could possibly imagine. I once worked on a system that got dropped of a cliff on cables, next to a stunt guy, all computer controlled.

Re: Modern robotics hits Hollywood. IRIS: The most advanced camera rig ever created.

#35

Post by derda »

Qworg wrote: post #26

I wrote a few comments earlier about this device, but I thought I'd try and sum up my thoughts on it in one post. This is terribly dangerous. Thus far, they've been lucky - nobody has done something wrong or stupid. That said, it cannot last. Putting industrial robots like this on a moving track, and then putting them close to humans at high speed is a recipe for disaster. This system has a 6 meter by track length op…

I saw a similar safety-system at Hanover industrial fair a few months ago. So they are already being sold.

Re: Modern robotics hits Hollywood. IRIS: The most advanced camera rig ever created.

#36

Post by drone »

pawelwentpawel wrote: post #16
Lewton wrote: post #3

This, mixed with drones with cameras like the ones used here: http://vimeo.com/36341233 makes some pretty exciting cinematography possible

thanks for the link, looks great! If you want a video of the drone itself take a look in here - http://www.omstudios.de/OMCOPTER-Flying-Epic Looks impressive

There are also some nice, human-controlled (although I believe they can be automated using stuff from DIY Drones) open-source units from Quadrocopter: http://www.quadrocopter.us/

Re: Modern robotics hits Hollywood. IRIS: The most advanced camera rig ever created.

#37

Post by Qworg »

drone wrote: post #33
Qworg wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the examples you gave are both NOT what they're proposing here. You had robots well away from humans with hardware systems preventing them from impacting human space. The first example didn't even involve humans. This system is meant to be used up close and "in the action".

That is not true at all. Milo and its little brethren have been used for many years, in place and with the actors. In case you missed the notes about it, these systems come with detection, fail-safes, and kill switches to prevent issues. And -always- have a human operator in final control of them. See, for example: http://www.mrmoco.com/images/rigs/talos/img5-fullsize.jpg

That system doesn't appear to be able to even reach the actor.

What detection? What fail-safes?

This new system is built to be handled totally remotely. The time it takes a human to respond results in dead people.

Re: Modern robotics hits Hollywood. IRIS: The most advanced camera rig ever created.

#38

Post by drone »

robomartin wrote: post #28

This is nothing new. Special effects companies have been using MOCO rigs (Motion Control) for decades. I worked on some of this hardware many moons ago. One such rig was a cartesian robot the size of an entire warehouse. It was used to fly a camera over (and through) a miniature mockup of a city. The rig had XYZ axis that were measured in tens of feet and the end-effector (where the camera was mounted) had various ro…

Agreed, one trip around NAB will show you a lifetime's worth of imagining on cinematic robots. I think the interesting thing they've done here is tie everything in together with a single point control that's perhaps nicer than Flair. Of course, it's also competing with an endless array of multi-million dollar systems - so I'm not sure how exactly this one stands above the fray, except maybe getting written up in HN =)

Re: Modern robotics hits Hollywood. IRIS: The most advanced camera rig ever created.

#39

Post by Qworg »

derda wrote: post #35
Qworg wrote: post #26

I wrote a few comments earlier about this device, but I thought I'd try and sum up my thoughts on it in one post. This is terribly dangerous. Thus far, they've been lucky - nobody has done something wrong or stupid. That said, it cannot last. Putting industrial robots like this on a moving track, and then putting them close to humans at high speed is a recipe for disaster. This system has a 6 meter by track length op…

I saw a similar safety-system at Hanover industrial fair a few months ago. So they are already being sold.

I'd love to see it! Can you send me some details via email (in my profile)?

Thanks!

Re: Modern robotics hits Hollywood. IRIS: The most advanced camera rig ever created.

#40

Post by tintin »

dsr_ wrote: post #19
tintin wrote: post #13

Here some action: http://www.botndolly.com/media#/medium/15 I think it's very scary standing next to a moving robot that close. It doesn't stop when you get in the way. Hope someone is holding a emergency stop button.

If you've got the right sensors, any unexpected resistance could be used as a trigger to stop motion faster than any human could do it. The SawStop system does it with electrical conductivity, but feedback from servos will do as well.

I don't think the feedback of the servos will detect a human body part. These servos are very very strong. Maybe when it hit the concrete it will skip a step noticeable in the feedback but that's about it.
Post reply on HN