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Re: UVA Computer Science professor resigns over incompetence of board

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Certain programs in the classics and germanic studies.

That seems like more evidence of some kind of clumsy political agenda on the board's part, since there's no way actually looking at the budget could give you a picture where Classics and German studies, of all things, are responsible for unsustainable spending increases; they're among the cheapest programs to operate. I suspect it's just some hedge-fund types who don't like the humanities and are looking for excuses…

Are you basing this on an analysis of UVA's budget? Someone cited somewhere that the Germanic Studies department had like 15 professors. If they faced declining enrollments, they very well could be in a situation where the size of the department isn't justified by the number of students it is teaching.

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Lots of people in Germany speak English.

See, this is a great reason to discourage people from learning German - you don't even need to know the language of the people you are doing business with. To the chopping block! Oh wait, no. There are lots of german speakers in the US, but when German companies do business here, they send people who can speak English. Many (most?) US companies send employees to do business in other countries who speak the local lang…

So is it a university's job to teach "German for business"?

Suppose the CS dept just did Exchange-server admin 101 - people would complain that it wasn't the proper role of a research university.

It seems that closing marginal depts, rather than just milking them as cash cows is a noble strategy - whatever the rest of the UVa management's actions

And does a university need to teach every subject? Should UVa have (for example) an Oceanography dept? Is there much point in having a one person dept teaching Vulcanology when students would be better going somewhere else that specializes in it?

10 years ago the Netherlands started this process for their entire country. They picked the subjects that their universities did very well at and decided to close all the other research depts. There was no point in having the 100th ranked dept of tropical medicine when students could go somewhere else to learn that and you could use the money to support the worlds top dept in some other topic

Re: UVA Computer Science professor resigns over incompetence of board

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Additional backstory: the revolt of the faculty is due to the Board wanting to close marginal academic departments at the University. Further backstory: the expenditures of the academic division at UVA have increased about 80% since 2001. Enrollment has only increased 9%. In-state tuition has increased about 275%. I'm not a UVA alum, but I grew up in Virginia, so I care about what happens at UVA. UVA's faculty can wa…

"the expenditures of the academic division at UVA have increased about 80% since 2001...In-state tuition has increased about 275%." This says to me that some other source of funding (state subsidy?) has just about disappeared, is that right?

It's usually the return on endowment investments. Every time the market dips - universities go on a manic cost cutting exercise.

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No, I haven't. But did you ever encounter people in Maine who felt kinship with the Confederacy?

Do you mean people who are overly zealous about the history of their state, people who are bigoted, or both? Because yes. Everywhere. Not just Maine.

Given the distant and not-so-distant history of the South, my personal experience is that attitudes are different there than elsewhere. But, of course, that's anecdote, not data.

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The lack of "strategic dynamism" part is hilarious: http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/confessions-community-co...

This article is the most unbiased I've read. As a UVA alum I tend to side with the BOV in this case. Virginia is a notoriously stingy state and it's inevitable that big changes have to be made to keep UVA competitive. The current leader of any organization is rarely the best choice for making big changes. Unfortunately, it seems Sullivan was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. My guess is the BOV wanted to bri…

My (CLAS '99 graduate) problem with this is that UVA is known as a strong liberal arts research institution, and even if areas like German & Classics are money sinks, cutting them causes comprehensive reputation damage spanning the liberal arts. I attended engineering graduate school at NC State, which is 100% known for engineering & agriculture/textiles, and not at all for liberal arts. That isn't to say there may not be niches of expertise, but when marketing to prospective undergraduates who judge with a broad stroke and lots of ignorance (most have no idea what course of study they'll actually end up pursuing), it does mean they can stagnate and whither.

Re: UVA Computer Science professor resigns over incompetence of board

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See, this is a great reason to discourage people from learning German - you don't even need to know the language of the people you are doing business with. To the chopping block! Oh wait, no. There are lots of german speakers in the US, but when German companies do business here, they send people who can speak English. Many (most?) US companies send employees to do business in other countries who speak the local lang…

So is it a university's job to teach "German for business"? Suppose the CS dept just did Exchange-server admin 101 - people would complain that it wasn't the proper role of a research university. It seems that closing marginal depts, rather than just milking them as cash cows is a noble strategy - whatever the rest of the UVa management's actions And does a university need to teach every subject? Should UVa have (for…

It is a University's job to educate students, and to expose them to many fields of study that will give them a grounding for later study and inquiry. Basic instruction in many different topics at least gives the students enough grounding to ask good questions.

Education in foreign languages has far reaching affects on many aspects of life and cognitive abilities - this is a documented fact. The analogy to Exchange is broken in many, many ways. Training on a product only brings some level of competency in that product, as soon as it end-of-lifes, the skill is useless. Learning a language opens many doors, and I don't really see German being end-of-lifed any time soon.

Perhaps every university doesn't need a research oceanography unit, but it sure would be nice if they provided at least a teaching unit or two on those. Or do we just tell the students that would like to know something about it, "screw you, enroll at these other universities too, if you want to learn the basics of that.". I understand that in the Netherlands, this may not be that difficult, it is a small country, but in many places, e.g. the US where UVA is, the college where they kept an oceanography program is probably sever hundred, or even thousands of kilometers away.

Finally, the basics of subject do not need leading experts to teach them well. For low level classes, most people capable of getting a Ph.D and an interest in teaching can cover the material quite well. In fact, there is a whole school of thought (with pretty good evidence) that suggests that experts can't teach novices a subject very well at all. (this is known as the tacit or expert knowledge problem).

Re: UVA Computer Science professor resigns over incompetence of board

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So is it a university's job to teach "German for business"? Suppose the CS dept just did Exchange-server admin 101 - people would complain that it wasn't the proper role of a research university. It seems that closing marginal depts, rather than just milking them as cash cows is a noble strategy - whatever the rest of the UVa management's actions And does a university need to teach every subject? Should UVa have (for…

It is a University's job to educate students, and to expose them to many fields of study that will give them a grounding for later study and inquiry. Basic instruction in many different topics at least gives the students enough grounding to ask good questions. Education in foreign languages has far reaching affects on many aspects of life and cognitive abilities - this is a documented fact. The analogy to Exchange is…

There is teaching and training. If they have a German lit prof who has published nothing for years, has no research students, no enrollment and the justification for keeping them is "learning German is useful" - then it makes sense to close the dept, buy some language tapes for the library and pay some German grad students to help. Rather than fire 10% of the post-docs in semi-conductor physics because you are making "across the board' cuts.

In europe where every city has a university this is easier and going to a particular university because of a particular course is more common. There are probably only 4-6 veterinary/dentistry ugrad programs in a country and perhaps half the places will have a medical school.

It's different in the US with in-state tuition, but at some point it is cheaper for the state to just say we aren't teaching Oceanography at U of Iowa - here is a scholarship to UCSD to cover the difference in tuition.

Re: UVA Computer Science professor resigns over incompetence of board

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Wulf resigned in protest of the BoV's actions.

Right. It's not clear though that Prof. Wulf was pushing the BOV to make deep spending cuts.

He wasn't. He had nothing to do with this before the removal of Sullivan. He is retiring because he is upset the Board is trying to run UVA as a business rather than a university - different forms, different causes.

Re: UVA Computer Science professor resigns over incompetence of board

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Additional backstory: the revolt of the faculty is due to the Board wanting to close marginal academic departments at the University. Further backstory: the expenditures of the academic division at UVA have increased about 80% since 2001. Enrollment has only increased 9%. In-state tuition has increased about 275%. I'm not a UVA alum, but I grew up in Virginia, so I care about what happens at UVA. UVA's faculty can wa…

A different opinion from a UVA alum: The "revolt" of the faculty is partially due to the Board wanting to close marginal academic departments because they can't pay for themselves, like Classics (which studies Greek and Latin texts from the founding of Western Civ.) I was not a Classics major and in fact never took a Classics class but many of my friends who are lawyers today were and universities want students like this. Everyone understands that cuts need to be made, but the board seems to fail to understand that making cuts at a university is different than cost-saving measures at a corporation.

Beyond this one issue, the faculty is also responding like this because the Board is acting silently, secretively and hastily in making decisions for the university with little to no participation from faculty or administrators, or even information being provided. At this point, after a week of intense scrutiny and questioning, still no one outside the Board knows exactly why President Sullivan was let go.

In 2003 UVA passed a milestone in that more money came from private donors than public funds. Today UVA's budget includes only 8% being covered by the state. The cuts from the state are very real and very keenly felt. UVA is on a tricky path to become a true hybrid private/public school and the questions facing the faculty and the Board are not whether this should happen, but how.

Furthermore, to rebut some of your points a) It's not insane to have 3300 faculty when many of those are working directly on research or employed at the medical center. (I believe this to be the case given that on average about 1000 faculty are employed through the medical center http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/data_catalog/institutional/...) b) The expenditures have increased in an attempt at keeping close with peer institutions for salary and other options. Realistically, despite these attempts the faculty at UVA could easily head to competitive private or public schools and make more money, and will probably be doing so in massive numbers over the next few years following this fiasco. c) I am not sure where you are basing your correlation that this faculty growth has happened at the expense of students. If it has been driven by the growth of costs at the Medical Center that is a source of income as well. If it's been driven by academic faculty then its either been funding research to increase the number of accolades achieved by our faculty (thereby increasing the ranking of the school) or it has been hiring more professors or paying teaching faculty more to keep them from leaving, which would seem to directly benefit students.

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