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Helen Fisher, who researched the brain’s love circuitry, has died

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Re: Helen Fisher, who researched the brain’s love circuitry, has died

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The fact that humans took control over the most fundamental evolutionary adaptation and are capable of satisfying our urge to have sex without it resulting in children will cause the end of our species maybe.

More likely, it will wipe out the subpopulation that don't value children enough to overcome that.

It's possible to value children and yet choose not to have any

There have always been people who have chosen to not have children

Re: Helen Fisher, who researched the brain’s love circuitry, has died

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> If I and all my descendants have 2 kids, by the 6th generation, there will be 64 people with 1.56% of my DNA, which adds up to one full person. If 64 people drink 1.56% of a bottle of wine, it adds up to one drunk person. At some point, a value turns insignificant. To be clear: I am very much aware we do need kids, although a slight population shrink wouldn’t be too terrible. But people who tell themselves “the chi…

Life out there is everything but mere numbers and statistics. Having kids is not about just propagating genes, but raising another generation that will take care of this planet and mankind's future, or fuck it up further with stupid selfish approach. You can have a say in this, a largely thankless say, but with kids we imprint ourselves and our values in mankind's future. Smart folks giving up on kids are removing sm…

> Smart folks giving up on kids are removing smart genes from future gene pool, who then gets more diluted by illiterate farmers having 10-15 kids.

Hints of eugenic thinking there

Illiteracy is not hereditary, so I don't know why you bring it in.

Poor farmers do no "dilute the gene pool"

In general, poor people have more children, regardless of IQ level.

Re: Helen Fisher, who researched the brain’s love circuitry, has died

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RIP. She should be credited when someone at OpenAI introduces the concept of hormones to neural networks.

That's the dream! There's the "cold" self-referential I, and the "warm" embodied self that persists. Hormones go a long way towards building that second self.

Would you care to elaborate or provide a source to learn more?

Re: Helen Fisher, who researched the brain’s love circuitry, has died

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The fact that humans took control over the most fundamental evolutionary adaptation and are capable of satisfying our urge to have sex without it resulting in children will cause the end of our species maybe.

Only if we also manage to increase education. It appears the more you know, the less you are likely to have children. Combined with the pill, this is indeed a recipe for extinction, albeit slowly. I sometimes wonder, but have never researched, if the long-term consequences of the pill were considered before aprooving it. Hell, dont get me wrong, its very very convenient. But the question is, will it kill humanity in…

> will it kill humanity in the long term

How is that a problem?

Re: Helen Fisher, who researched the brain’s love circuitry, has died

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Only if we also manage to increase education. It appears the more you know, the less you are likely to have children. Combined with the pill, this is indeed a recipe for extinction, albeit slowly. I sometimes wonder, but have never researched, if the long-term consequences of the pill were considered before aprooving it. Hell, dont get me wrong, its very very convenient. But the question is, will it kill humanity in…

> will it kill humanity in the long term How is that a problem?

I am with you on this one. I at least couldn't care less.
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