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Wait, why would showering in a lightning storm not be safe? Do you expect the lightning to discharge in the pipes of your house? How? Or is it that your children would be scared if the power goes out when they're showering? That I understand.
Yes, especially in older homes or homes with poor grounding. Lightning can discharge through water supply lines[0]. There are even cases of toilets exploding due to lightning strikes[1]. (Google for more) Sure, it's exceedingly rare. But it's also exceedingly easy to avoid. I've taught my kids that some decisions are easier when defined as binary rules; judgment calls in cases like this just don't offer any tangible…
Blitzortung – real time lightning strikes around the world
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Re: Blitzortung – real time lightning strikes around the world
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Yes, especially in older homes or homes with poor grounding. Lightning can discharge through water supply lines[0]. There are even cases of toilets exploding due to lightning strikes[1]. (Google for more) Sure, it's exceedingly rare. But it's also exceedingly easy to avoid. I've taught my kids that some decisions are easier when defined as binary rules; judgment calls in cases like this just don't offer any tangible…
On the other hand, I wonder if you might be teaching a bad lesson about neglect of probability [1] here. The shower itself is probably orders of magnitude more dangerous by itself. I'm wondering because I am also unsure myself if I should be concerned about lightning when showering, or whether it's statistically speaking an absolute waste of time :) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neglect_of_probability
The choice of showering/bathing at all has a different risk profile, yes, and also a different expected utility. Comparing the two is a false equivalence.
Statistically speaking: our kids (and their parents) simply enjoy watching storms, and we all choose to shower when the risk of lightning is zero. That choice maximizes utility, as our subjective enjoyment of the light show isn't diminished by postponing something as pedestrian as a shower for an hour.
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Yes, it's exceedingly rare. But it's one of those "avoiding this activity for an hour could prevent you from dying painfully" things, so we don't shower/bathe/wash dishes when there's lightning.
> it's one of those "avoiding this activity for an hour could prevent you from dying painfully" things If you do this often enough, for extremely unlikely scenarios that don't sum up to a meaningful aggregate risk of dying, you might very well have a negative return on investment though. (Time spent worrying about an unlikely sudden death is time you don't spend enjoying life, or at least avoiding a slightly earlier…
Re: Blitzortung – real time lightning strikes around the world
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#75For my kids, I have a virtual light switch in HomeKit called "Shower Is Safe". It's pinned to the top of the Home app. I use the Home Assistant integration to fetch this data and run some calculations on the past few minutes of lightning activity. Since the API returns lightning strike time and bearing from a given location, I can (in combination with wind direction) determine if the lightning is approaching or reced…
Would you be willing to explain/share the automation for this?
{% set distance = states('sensor.lightning_detector_lightning_distance')|int(999) %}
{% set bearing = states('sensor.lightning_detector_lightning_azimuth')|int %}
{% set wind_bearing = states('sensor.pirateweather_wind_bearing')|int %}
{% set bearing_normalized = bearing % 360 + 360 %}
{% set bearing_left = (wind_bearing-80) % 360 + 360 %}
{% set bearing_right = (wind_bearing+80) % 360 + 360 %}
{% set distance_max = 20 %}
{% set bearing_min = ([bearing_left,bearing_right]|sort)[0] %}
{% set bearing_max = ([bearing_left,bearing_right]|sort)[-1] %}
{% set approaching = bearing_min
It normalizes the bearings to avoid dealing with the 0-degree crossover, and is reevaluated automatically whenever the three tracked entities change their state.The automation itself is set to "restart" mode, and fires whenever the template sensor is true. It then waits for the sensor to be false for 15 minutes, and for the nearest lightning distance to be > 20 miles for 15 minutes.
Why a 20 mile radius? It's a good enough proxy for the time it takes them to prep for (get clothes ready, etc) and then actually shower (and brush teeth, 30 minutes total), and most storms in my area tend to move through at ~40mph.
Re: Blitzortung – real time lightning strikes around the world
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Yes, especially in older homes or homes with poor grounding. Lightning can discharge through water supply lines[0]. There are even cases of toilets exploding due to lightning strikes[1]. (Google for more) Sure, it's exceedingly rare. But it's also exceedingly easy to avoid. I've taught my kids that some decisions are easier when defined as binary rules; judgment calls in cases like this just don't offer any tangible…
But is there any risk to you being in the path of least resistance? All your pipes are connected (to the ground) so why would the electricity not take the readily available metal path?
A typical lightning bolt is about 300 million Volts and about 30,000 Amps. Since even the best-grounded home certainly can't sink 30,000 amps of current into the neutral-bonded earth bar, it has to go somewhere. It finds multiple paths, and the current is shared between them. There's also the conversion to heat in all those insufficient conductors, etc.
[0]:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/is-it-safe-to-tak...
Re: Blitzortung – real time lightning strikes around the world
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Wait, why would showering in a lightning storm not be safe? Do you expect the lightning to discharge in the pipes of your house? How? Or is it that your children would be scared if the power goes out when they're showering? That I understand.
Lightning has reached down from 10,000ft to strike the ground, do not make the mistake that it cares about anything humanity has built. Even with a lightning rod/abatement system, its probabilities and 'preferred paths.' Plus, we really don't know all that much about lightning. Things like "ball lightning" ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning ) seem insane/impossible, but theres too many reports from ever…
During a bad storm one night, they heard a buzzing sound at the window by their bed and saw an intense light outside. The ball lightning then entered their room at the window (I have no idea how that would work) and followed the wall out to the hallway. The whole time, they could hear a sizzling noise and the light was blinding.
Where it had entered the room, there was a fire outside where the electrical supply connected the house that entered the room. They took off out the door and down the the stairs. The fire damaged their house but did not spread (they think the rain put it out).
I have also heard that there was a family that had ball lightning enter their house down the wood stove chimney and emerge into their kitchen, followed the wall around the room, and the fizzled out.
Both incidents were a very long time ago. Other than that, I don't know anyone who has seen this phenomenon personally (my father passed away a couple of years ago).
Re: Blitzortung – real time lightning strikes around the world
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, especially in older homes or homes with poor grounding. Lightning can discharge through water supply lines[0]. There are even cases of toilets exploding due to lightning strikes[1]. (Google for more) Sure, it's exceedingly rare. But it's also exceedingly easy to avoid. I've taught my kids that some decisions are easier when defined as binary rules; judgment calls in cases like this just don't offer any tangible…
But is there any risk to you being in the path of least resistance? All your pipes are connected (to the ground) so why would the electricity not take the readily available metal path?
Either way should be easy to test. Run the showers and excite the paratoner.
Re: Blitzortung – real time lightning strikes around the world
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, especially in older homes or homes with poor grounding. Lightning can discharge through water supply lines[0]. There are even cases of toilets exploding due to lightning strikes[1]. (Google for more) Sure, it's exceedingly rare. But it's also exceedingly easy to avoid. I've taught my kids that some decisions are easier when defined as binary rules; judgment calls in cases like this just don't offer any tangible…
Ok, blanket advice from US governmental agencies and a Mythbusters episode with electrical and water installations that seem... Very DIY and not up to code? I mean it is mythbusters... IDK. I suspect power outage in the shower is more dangerous in my case than any other electrical issue... I guess it may be more of a US issue, especially since I am not finding any advice from EU agencies on the matter?...
Or, you know, just wait a while and enjoy the show.
Whatever. You do you.
Re: Blitzortung – real time lightning strikes around the world
#80For my kids, I have a virtual light switch in HomeKit called "Shower Is Safe". It's pinned to the top of the Home app. I use the Home Assistant integration to fetch this data and run some calculations on the past few minutes of lightning activity. Since the API returns lightning strike time and bearing from a given location, I can (in combination with wind direction) determine if the lightning is approaching or reced…
What other automations do you have? This one seems so specific I am curious what else you have going on!
Another warns my wife if her commute time home is expected to be longer than usual, so she can opt to get a bit more work done if it means a quicker drive with a similar arrival time.
My favorite is the laundry notification. Current sensing outlets let us know when the washer or dryer is in use, and door sensors track if the lid to the washer or dryer is open/closed. So if someone starts laundry, the HomePods play a chime and announcement that "the washing machine is done!" If the door isn't opened in 15 minutes, it chimes again. Another 15 minutes, and a notification is sent to me and my wife. :D