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What Windows 8 Haters Don’t Understand About Windows 8

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Re: What Windows 8 Haters Don’t Understand About Windows 8

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Post by alexro »

RSO wrote: post #4

I'm not really in to these Windows 8 discussions, basically because I'm not using Windows myself, but the main argument against Windows 8 that I have come across so far was that there are two different interfaces. As I understand this new interface is called the Metro interface, which (without having it used) looks promising, bu t is totally different than the old Windows interface (which I have used). It seems to me…

In the new Metro UI you cannot run traditional desktop apps - these that use Windows API - and there are loads of them around already. So keeping the old UI system in parallel is the only viable option to get Metro slowly adapted.

Re: What Windows 8 Haters Don’t Understand About Windows 8

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Post by quarterto »

natmaster0 wrote: post #8

Yeah, pretty weak arguments there. Somehow what some people claim or have said is supposed to apply to me? I don't know about others complaining about ribbon on office, but I loved it when it launched, and I loved every Facebook iteration except the last one. I'm an early adopter, and not only does stuff I adopt early have an incredibly high success rate, but there aren't many things that are successful that I don't…

I remember the initial design post about the Windows 8 Explorer was all, "We saw that very few people use the toolbar to get around Explorer. So we decided to make the toolbar bigger, and put more things in it."

Re: What Windows 8 Haters Don’t Understand About Windows 8

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Post by chris_wot »

tjoff wrote: post #9

There is waaay too much focus on metro. Which is kind of natural since it is new and different, but because of the focus on metro people get confused and honestly think that there is nothing but metro in windows 8. Metro is targeted towards Media Centers, tablets and casual consumption. Not workstations. If you are not doing your work on an iPad today you probably won't do work in metro tomorrow. Simple as that. The…

So I don't really understand Metro. If it's been designed for tablets, and not workstations, what UI do you use for day to day work, on a workstation?

Re: What Windows 8 Haters Don’t Understand About Windows 8

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Post by tjoff »

chris_wot wrote: post #13
tjoff wrote: post #9

There is waaay too much focus on metro. Which is kind of natural since it is new and different, but because of the focus on metro people get confused and honestly think that there is nothing but metro in windows 8. Metro is targeted towards Media Centers, tablets and casual consumption. Not workstations. If you are not doing your work on an iPad today you probably won't do work in metro tomorrow. Simple as that. The…

So I don't really understand Metro. If it's been designed for tablets, and not workstations, what UI do you use for day to day work, on a workstation?

The (about) same UI that you have in windows 7.

Re: What Windows 8 Haters Don’t Understand About Windows 8

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Post by bornhuetter »

chris_wot wrote: post #13
tjoff wrote: post #9

There is waaay too much focus on metro. Which is kind of natural since it is new and different, but because of the focus on metro people get confused and honestly think that there is nothing but metro in windows 8. Metro is targeted towards Media Centers, tablets and casual consumption. Not workstations. If you are not doing your work on an iPad today you probably won't do work in metro tomorrow. Simple as that. The…

So I don't really understand Metro. If it's been designed for tablets, and not workstations, what UI do you use for day to day work, on a workstation?

Windows 8 has two environments. One looks pretty much exactly like Windows 7, but with no start button, and the other is Metro.

If you don't run any Metro programs, the only thing that really changes is that the start button is replaced by a start screen with all those live tiles and icons on it.

Re: What Windows 8 Haters Don’t Understand About Windows 8

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Post by corin_ »

> I hate the ribbon in Windows 8 - that’s what most people said about the ribbon when it was first introduced in Microsoft Office 2007. And yet, it has become a great interface paradigm which makes features more visible and easier to use.

Not 100% related to Windows 8, but am I in the minority of disliking the ribbon in Office? When it first arrived I was excited by it and thought it was awesome, but after years of using it I still don't find it as useful as plain old menus, for the most part.

Re: What Windows 8 Haters Don’t Understand About Windows 8

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Post by chris_wot »

w0utert wrote: post #7

Hardly any arguments in that article at all, besides 'if you use Windows 8 long enough you will eventually learn how it works' and 'stop complaining, Windows 8 is the future'. Windows 95 and XP/2000 didn't actually have a user-friendly interface either, in fact, I think it was downright terrible. Yet, everyone knows how to use it, which makes it appear 'easy' and 'user-friendly'. This article completely steers around…

Not sure why you have been voted down, I agree that there was very little to persuade me in this article. In fact, he directly contradicts himself in regards to the ribbon - first he says it is awesome, then he says it sucks on a tablet interface. He really can't have it both ways.

Re: What Windows 8 Haters Don’t Understand About Windows 8

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Post by w0utert »

tjoff wrote: post #10
w0utert wrote: post #7

Hardly any arguments in that article at all, besides 'if you use Windows 8 long enough you will eventually learn how it works' and 'stop complaining, Windows 8 is the future'. Windows 95 and XP/2000 didn't actually have a user-friendly interface either, in fact, I think it was downright terrible. Yet, everyone knows how to use it, which makes it appear 'easy' and 'user-friendly'. This article completely steers around…

They were very user friendly. They might not have been beginner-friendly but that is a short-sighted goal to aim for.

I have to disagree. The traditional Windows interface is full of undiscoverable hidden stuff, inconsistent and illogical ways that make doing simple things hard, the start menu was never a good UI paradigm to begin with, the taskbar has always been a big mess that basically became unusable if you had more than 5 windows open, the way you interact with the file system is completely arbitrary, task management is basically limited to a list of running processes, nothing like Spaces or Mission Control like OS X has, and so on.

Really, after installation and configuration, any Linux system with Gnome 2.x or XFCE is more user-friendly than Windows before W7, even though both basically try to copy almost every aspect of the Windows desktop user interface.

Don't you think there is a reason why almost anyone who has ever used a Mac says OS X is more user-friendly, or why both Gnome and now Microsoft are moving away from the classic Windows desktop paradigm? It never was so great in the first place.

Re: What Windows 8 Haters Don’t Understand About Windows 8

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Post by forgottenpaswrd »

Oh, let me see: A person that has vested interest on Windows(with a page about Microsoft Windows tutorials) defends Microsoft products against people that don't like it.

"Haters" is too strong a word. I had used windows 8 too see where Microsoft is going and I don't like it but hater is too much because honestly I don't care, if other people is happy using a product, good for them. I'm happy using mac and Linux.

I hear fear on his words. I remember feeling the same with the people that wanted to continue selling CDs, calling those wanting to sell digital wanting to "destroy the music".

No, some people don't like ribbon, or text going outside of screens like in windows 7, buttons without 3d shadows, or vibrant colors for anything unimportant and the most important of all, the "we are going to force you to use this and you will like it because we can with our monopoly" attitude.

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