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Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Aren’t you advocating for a Big Brother-style system?

Not at all. I wish the iranian political refugee can communicate with her family without the state to intervene. That's great. But at the same time I wish a court order can open up encryption when it's needed. But the balance is difficult. As we see all the time.

Many will disagree with you because your stance does not take an all-or-nothing approach, so good on you for asking these tougher questions. We have the same sort of questions in the US, though a very specific group would love to turn this who country into a police state (they even have their own flag). I am a big privacy advocate, but also recognize that it is ripe for abuse by bad actors, so the solutions are muddy and need some serious beta testing before they can be called solutions. This where people tend to get lost in the debate and start responding with emotions rather than reason, which unfortunately does not progress us a viable solution. I see the same thing happening in the EU, but from afar, so my perception is likely skewed.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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I find it pretty ridiculous to assume that any dev would comment on the inner workings of their employers software in any way beyond what is publicly available anyway. I certainly wouldn't.

Why not? If I think my employer is doing something unethical, I certainly would. That would be the moral thing to do. This tells me most of the people implementing this are either too-scared of the consequences, or they think what they're implementing is ethical and/or the right thing to do. Again, both are scary thoughts we should be highly concerned about in a healthy society that talks about these things. One othe…

You are talking about a company whose primary business idea it is to lock up as much of the world's information as possible behind their login.

The secondary business idea it to tie their users logins to their real world identities, to the point of repeatedly locking out users who they live under threat and refuse to disclose their real name.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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A lot of really terrible takes in this comment section. Telegram didn't have encrypted groups by default, and telegram possessed a lot of content on their servers that they had been made aware was illegal and didn't cooperate. Nothing more, nothing less. The comparisons to other providers is off base because either other providers are cooperating more when they possess actionable, unencrypted information and taking s…

This is a fantastic case of hypocrisy here. I personally see Facebook ads for illegal drugs at least once a week, and nothing happens. I even stopped reporting it because it was obviously pointless. Why? Because Zuck is "our son of bitch".

He's been publicly chewed out at hearings by U.S. Senators, at least on the Republican side, for things like that. But the senate apparently doesn't have the power to do anything about it, or at least prioritize it with the rest of what is on their plate. I agree though that if Zuckerberg had been a Russian citizen, France probably would have arrested him too.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Meanwhile Jihadists roam the streets stabbing people in the neck let in by Politicians the West needs people because of Demographics etc. Should those Politicians be held responsible for the actions of people they let in? Equal standards should apply should they not?

Whataboutism.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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A sane comment in the slew of conspiracy theories, "service provider" apologists and misdirection of encryption being the issue.

> "service provider" apologists I sincerely doubt that Telegram makes most of it's money by being this kind of host. I don't generally give the government the benefit of the doubt when it comes to _communication_ platforms. I also see zero evidence that Telegram's existence or policies help promote or create crime in any way. It's not conspiratorial to refuse to show deference to the government which currently only h…

> I sincerely doubt that Telegram makes most of it's money by being this kind of host.

One thing I did find suspicious about Telegram was that accounts that are restricted for "spam" can create a new account and pay for a premium license to remove the restrictions on the new account. Seemed like a racket to me.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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The reason he was arrested was because he created privacy for non-US citizens. Certain Intelligence Agencies won't allow that lol

Telegram was never properly end-to-end encrypted. The way this works is Telegram client sends stuff to the server over client-server encryption. The service provider stores it on server's disk in Netherlands. Since Netherlands is not US, to NSA's hacking team Tailored Access Operations, hacking the server is considered 'fair game', i.e. there are no restrictions. When they hack the server they can read the life of 900,000,000 telegram users. It's that simple.

You shilling for Telegram's tech-billionare who got caught for hosting child porn for closer to a decade is almost as sad as Telegram's sad state and Durov's future.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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A lot of really terrible takes in this comment section. Telegram didn't have encrypted groups by default, and telegram possessed a lot of content on their servers that they had been made aware was illegal and didn't cooperate. Nothing more, nothing less. The comparisons to other providers is off base because either other providers are cooperating more when they possess actionable, unencrypted information and taking s…

> Nothing more, nothing less. That's a terribly simplistic take. And no, there are other providers that also cooperated less (not that you have reliable data on that for such a certain claim that you can't compare)

Why is it that op can’t make the claim but you magically can? How does that work?

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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> Nothing more, nothing less. That's a terribly simplistic take. And no, there are other providers that also cooperated less (not that you have reliable data on that for such a certain claim that you can't compare)

Why is it that op can’t make the claim but you magically can? How does that work?

The magic is all (in his claim) vs few (in mine). You don't need omniscience for the latter

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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They're hitting that Uno Reverse card. Tbf, the US does a LOT of the stuff that we openly criticize Russia and China for. Which, I would hope that people have enough insight to recognize that this is a bad thing across the board. The only people who get hurt and face consequences from this kind of a thing are the citizens.

Can always count on HN for whataboutism. Good thing it’s legal to say so in the countries that dominate its user base.

They don't tend to care until large enough quantities of people start listening despite whatever filters (i.e. de-ranking social media posts) and countermeasures (i.e. cable news assets) are put in place before it gets to that point. Then they very likely have the ability to label it as misinformation and find a legal reason to prosecute under a number of broad categories: https://www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com/false-informatio...

It came very close to this during Covid, and maybe once or twice since then.

You're free to say what you want, and everyone is free to ignore you if what you say doesn't jive with "common sense".

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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I suspect most Tor exit nodes are controlled by the US government and/or its allied governments. It doesn't make much sense for anybody else to run an exit node because your IP gets banned by much of the internet and you get unwanted visits from law enforcement.

"What kinds of people operate tor exit nodes and why do they do it" is one of those questions that I know I'm not even supposed to admit being curious about, let alone ask, in the company of people who are most capable of accurately answering.

I operate one. The sole aim is to enable the Tor network to exist. I believe in the principle of private communication.
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