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We found North Korean engineers in our application pile

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Re: We found North Korean engineers in our application pile

#61

> No online presence I wonder how they would screen for new graduates, which might not have much professional work history?

so they would have info about their school - professors, classes, clubs

I always see these lists of "clear signals" they know exactly what is normal... and I often emit at least half of them, companies deserve all the deception they get

Re: We found North Korean engineers in our application pile

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> names that didn’t match their ethnicity The people I've known from China and Korea have a tendency to adopt traditional English names (Steve, Joe, Mike, etc) because their native names are hard to pronounce for English speakers. Further, the 2nd generation Asian Americans I've met do often have traditional English names.

Certainly someone of obvious Asian descent and accent who introduces themselves as “Simon” is not a red flag. As you say, some people understandably prefer not to hear their real name mangled every day. But someone of obvious Asian descent and accent who introduces themselves as “Simon Cartwright” and has vague tales of growing up in London… again, it’s possible, and we should treat each individual with respect and a…

Adoption makes it entirely possible for an Asian-presenting person to have a European first name _and_ surname and, frankly, is not something you should be asked about in an interview.

Re: We found North Korean engineers in our application pile

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We received a cover letter recently that had something like "[insert company name here]" left in it.

i see that kind of thing in job ads all the time too.

Incompetence, using ChatGPT to write cover letters, or both?

My money's on "both".

Re: We found North Korean engineers in our application pile

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post #35

North Korean engineers aren't nearly as scary as a "Trust and Safety" company founded by ex-CIA operatives.

Or that there's a Trust and Safety industry even exists.

Knowing that the internet is as rife with abuse as sneakerspace, I cannot see how there could not be. If such an industry had spawned a decade earlier maybe The Algorithm would have less unchecked and would not have resulted in so much societal destruction this century.

Re: We found North Korean engineers in our application pile

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Or that there's a Trust and Safety industry even exists.

Knowing that the internet is as rife with abuse as sneakerspace, I cannot see how there could not be. If such an industry had spawned a decade earlier maybe The Algorithm would have less unchecked and would not have resulted in so much societal destruction this century.

Are you advocating for techno-authoritarianism?

Re: We found North Korean engineers in our application pile

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly someone of obvious Asian descent and accent who introduces themselves as “Simon” is not a red flag. As you say, some people understandably prefer not to hear their real name mangled every day. But someone of obvious Asian descent and accent who introduces themselves as “Simon Cartwright” and has vague tales of growing up in London… again, it’s possible, and we should treat each individual with respect and a…

Adoption makes it entirely possible for an Asian-presenting person to have a European first name _and_ surname and, frankly, is not something you should be asked about in an interview.

Don't ask about it in the interview.

But it might be worth paying extra attention to any clues that they might not have lived in that place and have a falsified history.

As he said, "we should treat each individual with respect and assumption of good intent." But a decent proportion of people showing this particular characteristic will be engaging in employment fraud, and we shouldn't be blind to that signal.

Re: We found North Korean engineers in our application pile

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"Cinder is part of a growing list of US-based tech companies that encounter engineering applicants who are actually suspected North Korean nationals. " Actually suspected? There's nothing in the article that shows they were from North Korea.

You missed the key word.... > Actually suspected I actually suspected my grand kid ate my icecream. The icecream was in the fridge, grandkids use the fridge. The icecream was not in the fridge, grandkids take things out of the fridge. The icecream was likely eaten. Grandkids eat icecream. I actually suspect the grandkids ate the icecream. (Turns out grandma ate it with her friends on top of some apple pie.)

Your grandma is into cannibalism? How big was this apple pie? Something about this story doesn't add up.

Re: We found North Korean engineers in our application pile

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When an employment fraud seen as SPY activity, and for anyone with whatever reason related to SPY things will finally and definitely be related to CHINA when there's noone involved has any relationship to CHINA. As a Chinese, OMFG & ROFL.

It's not seen as a spy thing; it's seen as a growing trend of employment fraud from North Korean nationals who are located in China.

Of course, the fact that these people are being dumb enough to apply to a firm composed of former spies and that sells to the US intelligence community is what makes this particular case hilarious.

Re: We found North Korean engineers in our application pile

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You missed the key word.... > Actually suspected I actually suspected my grand kid ate my icecream. The icecream was in the fridge, grandkids use the fridge. The icecream was not in the fridge, grandkids take things out of the fridge. The icecream was likely eaten. Grandkids eat icecream. I actually suspect the grandkids ate the icecream. (Turns out grandma ate it with her friends on top of some apple pie.)

Your grandma is into cannibalism? How big was this apple pie? Something about this story doesn't add up.

Yes, she murdered a bunch of apples, her friends, and she ate them, with my icecream.

(English is weird language. :D )

Re: We found North Korean engineers in our application pile

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THe NK developer will think, wait, I'm making a fraction of what I'm actually earning, I will smuggle in a Starlink receiver and set up a bank account in China and work for myself. This is how Communist regimes end.

This is peak tech bro delusion. Well done

In all seriousness though. Defectors from North Korea have been killed longer than you or I have been alive

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