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Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#732Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apps? I just use it for messaging. I haven’t noticed any major UX issues but I use it for one thing only
On my Signal app screen, I have Chats, Calls and Stories. I could probably do without Stories. Periodically it prompts me for my PIN. Other than that it just works
You can actually turn off Stories in the settings, then the option also disappears from the bottom bar.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#733I find it ironic. As a kid growing up with the start of the internet, many Europeans and Australians implied the US would soon be an authoritarian surveillance state. I even deleted all my comments and accounts because I believed it (as a kid). Now, about 20 years later, I would wager Europe/Australia will reach that point first. I sometimes wish I could bring a crystal ball back in time and see how people would reac…
But we should let corporations into our lives that aren't even following the laws? Frankly, the Telegram users I've seen here and on Reddit really don't make a case for themselves, with all the sweeping accusations they throw around without knowing anything about the case. 20 years ago it was still reasonable to assume that the person you saw posting something was actually real, that the content you saw was actually…
I don't disagree with your concerns. In fact, I think they are overlooked by so many people.
However, I don't believe justifying or creating a surveillance state is the solution. We can't save people from themselves, it will be an arms race where the only casualty is our rights.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#734This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…
kim dotcom ran basically a pirated game/book/music/movie site. Telegram (what I have seen) is mostly hacking leaks although rumored to have CSAM (to those not familiar with the acronym, it means cheese pizza). Of course you can find both somewhere in the walled planetary garden of googlotron in facebooks sure. But they clamp down on it hard as they can. They clamp down on anything marginally offensive much less illeg…
There are a set of words you can't utter on these sites or your content gets removed. That's not moderation, that's censorship.
And they love that it's not actual moderation.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#735A lot of really terrible takes in this comment section. Telegram didn't have encrypted groups by default, and telegram possessed a lot of content on their servers that they had been made aware was illegal and didn't cooperate. Nothing more, nothing less. The comparisons to other providers is off base because either other providers are cooperating more when they possess actionable, unencrypted information and taking s…
>One cannot legally run a hosted, unmoderated content platform in the developed world, one will always be required to remove illegal materials and turn over materials in cooperation with law enforcement.
One can. I think you're confusing censored with moderated. Google, Facebook, Instagram, etc. aren't moderated. They're censored. They refuse to moderate or not moderate. Censorship is a form of moderation, but it itself isn't enough to be considered moderated. Censorship is enough to make it not unmoderated though.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#736Earlier quoted context omitted.
Banks do a massive amount of tracking and flagging. Even putting a joke “for drugs” in a Venmo field can cause issues. Plus reporting large transactions. There was a massive post on HN yesterday about how often banks close startup accounts due to false positives.
All this flagging seems to be more for "cover your *ss" reasons, because the real criminals continue doing their business everyday.
> the real criminals continue doing their business everyday
Any source for that? Media loves to blame banks for everything, but when you go into the details it always seems pretty marginal (e.g. the HSBC Mexico stuff).
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#737Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US government likes funding encrypted communication channels because it helps destabilize the kinds of dictators that eavesdrop on dissidents.
and it's useful for tradecraft. I think NSA uses Tor to some degree, for example.
I suspect most Tor exit nodes are controlled by the US government and/or its allied governments. It doesn't make much sense for anybody else to run an exit node because your IP gets banned by much of the internet and you get unwanted visits from law enforcement.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#738The reason he was arrested was because he created privacy for non-US citizens. Certain Intelligence Agencies won't allow that lol
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#739Recent and related:
Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41341353 - Aug 2024 (968 comments)
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#740This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…
Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do [...] maybe I'm just being naive? In this case, the comment does strike me as naive. Back in the 1990s the tech community convinced itself (myself included) that Napster had zero ethical responsibility for the mass piracy it enabled. In reality, law in a society is supposed to serve that society. The tech community talked itself into believing tha…
So if I attempt to rob a bank with a gun and use a getaway car - the car company and gun manufacturer are responsible for facilitating my heist?