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Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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That's exactly what is going on nowadays, anyway. In Poland we have Chmura Krajowa (national cloud), aimed at public, non profit and finance companies. It's basically more controlled local Azure and GPC region.

In Polish people don't use Cloud but Chmura?

Both, but chmura is a non-controvertial and easy translation.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Missing object storage kinda makes it a joke. Hetzner cloud is certainly useful for some things, but object storage is something I just assume any cloud would have in 2024. AWS launched it before EC2 even it's that valuable.

Out of curiosity are you operating at a scale where "MinIO on a Hetzner node" isn't a viable replacement? I totally believe that's possible, just curious about the use case.

Are you serious? Self-managed MinIO on a bunch of drives vs fully managed operation-less S3. Comparing apples to oranges. And the license, AGPLv3 is a non-starter for virtually any business serious about their intellectual property.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Germany, Austria, Swiss (swiss-german) mentality In a nutshell: German speakers mentality

But I mean what is that mentality

Cheap. Loving embrace of arbitrary rules.

In a stable manufacturing business, it’s a superpower. In tech, not so much.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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it's cloying how people (individuals and SMEs) forget that in the present time in vast part of the world we have FTTH with enough bandwidth and low enough ping that's MUCH better than a cheap VPS or someone else server. The only needed thing is a fixed IP, witch is pretty available anyway. A homeserver is much cheaper, not less monitored, much powerful and much more flexible than living on someone else computer. Sinc…

Yes, self/home hosting is an option for some. but maintaining a server is not as easy as you make it sound. Power, cooling, noise, spare hardware, network etc are all factors that are taken care of by a provider, that are not easy to replicate. And even if you can self-host, fighting against (D)DOS attacks is not something I have seen done at any consumer ISP.

At a personal|SME level? Who might want do DDOS John Smith or Pop's store? How much iron you need for such usage? That's without counting the various "datacenters horror stories" about how badly many providers are really without appearing.

My homeserver is a simple NixOS, so I have to maintain just a config, easy to replicate anytime without manual setups or complex orchestration, it's a small celeron machine with 32Gb ram and two sata classic disks + 2 nvme on a PCIe adapter card, total cost around 300€ few years ago, cooling is juts the home cooling, power it's free on sunny days (domestic p.v.) and otherwise it's still cheaper than the cheapest VPS, plus it can do much more. It's run my HA, Asterisk (for having some VoIP numbers on my deskphone and diverting call to my mobile when I'm not at home, nothing more), a small video-surveillance setup, fetchmail+maildrop+notmuch to serve mails via muchsync, etc etc etc a minimal equivalent VPS setup would costing me around 100+€/month, performing much less. If my server die I have a spare motherboard+cpu a little bit outdated but powerful enough drives are both mirrors from different brands, I have some cold spare anyway shared if needed with my main desktop etc in case of a complete crash I have my config, few kb of text, and I can replicate it anywhere. For personal usage is MUCH more than any classic hosted setup.

The only real issues is for most:

- knowing the software stack they need, witch is rare, because yes maintain a classic Arch or FreeBSD server it's much less comfy than NixOS/Guix System especially if you never heard of them but heard a gazillion of recommendations to use k*s or docker, proxmox and co AT HOME some even trying on raspi sbc...

- some minor legal and hw things, depending on your home and how much the temp mount in summer inside.

Essentially for most it's just about knowing the sw stack witch is a big issue since no university seems to be interesting in really teaching FLOSS nowadays and most professors themselves have very little practical knowledge.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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> der8auer posted a video Does anyone remember 'derBauer', the Flash god?

Every single time I see the YouTube handle with the "8" in it linked/posted... There are a few videos of their previous homepage designs available on YouTube, it's an amusing window into the past. Right below the first one was another video about 2Advanced, which I also hadn't heard of since 20? years.

https://www.webdesignmuseum.org/gallery/derbauer-2003

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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I use Hetzner cloud not because it's European, but because it's great.

Missing object storage kinda makes it a joke. Hetzner cloud is certainly useful for some things, but object storage is something I just assume any cloud would have in 2024. AWS launched it before EC2 even it's that valuable.

Yeah, that - and also managed Kubernetes. Hetzner could seize a lot of potentially lucrative opportunities, but for some reason they choose not to and pretty much stagnate in their offerings. I have been asking the support about both K8s and object storage since close to five years now, but no.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Gaia-X is a disaster. The article misrepresents it. Gaia-X is not a framework for what a European cloud should look like. This would be useful. In beautiful EU bureaucratic style It's a framework for how to talk about how a European Cloud could look like. It's not about technical standards. It's about how we can talk about how we can think of maybe eventually deciding on how we can come up with standards that might o…

EU: 440 million people, 60,000 EU bureaucrats. US: 330 million people, 2 MILLION+ US federal employees. Maybe what they need is more bureaucrats, so we don't get half-assed programs like this.

If you were not being sarcastic, it's not a fair comparison. Those 66k EU bureaucrats only deal with some of the stuff. You'll have to add some of the public administration employees from each of the countries that deal with things that in US would be considered "federal".

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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You can do that with AWS regions though.

The US government can still get at that data, because Amazon is still an American company. It doesn’t matter where the data actually lives.

The US government can (and for many years did) tap the phone calls of the German chancellor; I don't think getting to data held by European cloud providers is really a big challenge for them.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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There's no way I could describe it without sounding conspiratorial, so I'm just gonna lean into it: imagine the EU-US relationship suddenly turning very hostile (like Russia-EU relationship already did), how long would it take before all of EU's tech suddenly stopped working? Not saying that's gonna happen or is even likely to happen, but I don't think investing money into bootstraping some sort of a backup is necess…

> EU-US relationship suddenly turning very hostile The economies are too integrated for this scenario. There are big R&D centers of many American corporations in Europe, doing big part of their tech. They won’t move, instead in a very hypothetical “Russian” scenario they will change owner and continue to operate. I’m sure EU regions of AWS or GCP won’t cease to exist, for example. There are some services that are ope…

People used to say this about the energy infrastructure of Russia and Germany too, now see how that went. Or Chinese supply chains during Covid. Change comes rapidly sometimes. It just takes one lunatic president…

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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[raises hand] It's not so bad. Looooong lunches.

Any suggestions on how to land such a role? I've had the last 48 hours off work, which I think is the longest stretch in the last month, but I'll be working this evening, and tomorrow, and tomorrow evening, and Tuesday, and Tuesday evening, and...

Look for companies that are funded as part of long, multi-year projects. I have been funded by institutions like the NSF, NIH, and a bunch of smaller philanthropic foundations. After leaving SaaS-world, I just went to LinkedIn and looked for a non-profit doing work I can stand behind.

The thing that makes it so chill is that we work on very long time scales, based on the length of whatever NIH (or similar) grant we're on. If you're used to building things in the private sector, the comparison I make is that what took us 3 months at my previous YC startup would take us 3 years at the non-profit where I work now. A lot of that is because there are many moving pieces to coordinate, and because you have to be careful when dealing with sensitive data and research ethics. Blah blah blah, at least part of it is also because the breakneck pace of VC-funded software hasn't got its fingers into this pie, at least not yet.

Downside: pay cut. I make $18k less than I did 4 years ago, despite having gotten promoted in this new spot. Also, it can be frustrating trying to actually produce software at a company with no culture for it. You find out that software delivery practices are something people have to learn, and at places that aren't software-oriented, they don't know about them.

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