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Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by lagrange77 »

qwertox wrote: post #101

I think their intention is to be an alternative to OEDIV [0] (Oetker* Daten- und Informationsverarbeitung KG), targeting European companies and governments. If you understand German and want to take a look at OEDIV's remarkable datacenter, der8auer posted a video [1] around two years ago giving a tour through their datacenter. Small but high-quality. This is what Schwarz Gruppe is after, though not as closed as OEDIV…

> der8auer posted a video

Does anyone remember 'derBauer', the Flash god?

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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polotics wrote: post #95
novagameco wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by DACH mentality?

DACH would be: (D)eutschland (A)ustria (C)onfederatio (H)elvetica... This acronym manages to use three different languages, german for Deutschland, english for Austria (which is Österreich) and the latin name for Switzerland... Don't ask me, it is very dubious to use this DACH hodgepodge term here, as definitely mentalities are different: the state of IT is in no way identical between these three countries. Also, Dac…

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by haukem »

STACKIT is the Lidl cloud. Both companies are part of the Schwarz Gruppe.

Their offering is here: https://www.stackit.de/en/ You have to be a company to make business with them. You can not just sign up, you have to contact them first.

There was a discussion about STACKIT some years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30853778

I do not see anything about Gaia-X on their directly website, only when I search for it there are some older press releases.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by seydor »

arianvanp wrote: post #22

Gaia-X is a disaster. The article misrepresents it. Gaia-X is not a framework for what a European cloud should look like. This would be useful. In beautiful EU bureaucratic style It's a framework for how to talk about how a European Cloud could look like. It's not about technical standards. It's about how we can talk about how we can think of maybe eventually deciding on how we can come up with standards that might o…

The EU is a bureaucratic body so the production of bureaucracy counts as success

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by pestaa »

JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B wrote: post #115
liotier wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hetzner and OVH are top of mind, Gandi is nice too. Not Amazon-scale, by far, but European companies hosting in Europe with decent service.

OVH is a joke (their data center burned because they had wooden roofs), Gandi is no more, and Scaleway gave up. There is no French host anymore. Only Hetzner is left in this business.

How exactly did Scaleway give up? They keep releasing new cloud and serverless products.

There's also IONOS.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by _nalply »

croisillon wrote: post #57
novagameco wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by DACH mentality?

german speaking countries

Nitpick: Luxemburg, Belgium (around Eupen), Italy (Tirol) and France (Alsace) are also German speaking countries.

Historically, too: Poland, Czechia, Hungary and Romania, but German speaking communities have disappeared or are in massive decline.

Disclaimer: this list of German speaking countries might be incomplete.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by GordonS »

bengale wrote: post #113
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #47

I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

What are the other 20% with you for? What is the benefit that your customers see in using an European cloud?

I'm guessing so they can keep data of EU customers stored within the EU.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by mkesper »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #47

I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

Open Telekom Cloud has at least a great part of the functionality you expect when talking about a cloud provider: VMs (even GPU ones), VPCs, managed databases, block storage, Logging, IAM, API Gateway, Container Engine etc. https://www.open-telekom-cloud.com/

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by petesergeant »

polotics wrote: post #95
novagameco wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by DACH mentality?

DACH would be: (D)eutschland (A)ustria (C)onfederatio (H)elvetica... This acronym manages to use three different languages, german for Deutschland, english for Austria (which is Österreich) and the latin name for Switzerland... Don't ask me, it is very dubious to use this DACH hodgepodge term here, as definitely mentalities are different: the state of IT is in no way identical between these three countries. Also, Dac…

Those are the EU plate letters for each fwiw
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