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Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Not only that but them being stubborn and with a superiority complex. DACH companies rule EE with their capital and often manage to prototype and execute very much innovative features focused on convenience in the EE region (with local engineers etc). But this will never transform into something bigger because management wont allow non DACH people to assume executive roles + conservative market in their countries.

This is a very accurate, and very depressing, summary of why EU is stuck since the 2000s. Most EU tech and non-tech companies, with some notable exceptions like Spotify, have this mentality.

It's an interesting phenomena but to be honest you need a leader with a vision to change the course of history. Circa 2006-2012 everyone orbiting the DACH sphere of influence believed they need to speak german even in tech jobs and then due to USA's influence and huge market we realized we actually dont give a crap about DACH that much. Thus it spawned companies in EE,Baltics and everywhere else with a focus on mostly american market.

And then all of a sudden due to lack of workers and other factors even DACH began to change and basically accepted English as the defacto working language in tech.

Unfortunately it's a small change, too little too late as they say. Without proper transeuropean companies and unified market we will never be able to challenge competitors from Asia let alone the USA.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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And there I was hoping to find that Lidl had seen the light and started to sell some type of home server under one of their many 'brand names' - Medion (not only Lidl but still), Silvercrest, Parkside, etc. A solidly built box of hardware with a reliable power supply, some slots for storage. A pre-installed Linux distribution with Proxmox on top, a container with Nextcloud (all German companies so they´d probably be…

> A distributed encrypted backup option were you get to use other's storage for your backup purposes just as long as you offer your own storage for that purpose.

Add an option to enable encrypted backups with Shamir's Secret Sharing [1] to some of your closest friends/relatives, so that a few of them together can decide to decrypt your stuff in the event of your untimely demise.

Gimme a shout if you're hiring ;-)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamir%27s_secret_sharing

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Do you compete in some kind of a niche? There is OVH in EU.

And Scaleway (Online.net/Iliad). And Hetzner.

and OTC (Open Telecom Cloud)

But I wouldn't say it's a niche if you look at the size of the EU even if it "hasn't being doing that well" it's still a lot of purchasing power

And especially in recent years there has been an increasing push away from US cloud providers and this somewhat evening out the playing field of "newcomers" compared to Amazone, MS, Google.

Also because HN is quite US/SV focused and differences in business culture especially compared to SV about e.g. businesses doing blog post and similar you don't really see much at all from this marked on HN. But that doesn't mean it's not a big marked.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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What is Dach mentality? I've googled the definition but can't seem anything that fits in this context.

Probably the old-school mentality of pay hierarchies: Managers must earn more than subordinates. Thus if the salary expectation of a high skilled engineer is higher than some of the management class, it's often viewed as obscene. Usually as an engineer you achieve certain salary levels only with additional management duties.

What a silly thing. A good manager is worth quite a lot, but most of them aren't and a mediocre engineer is worth way more than a mediocre manager.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

I use Hetzner cloud not because it's European, but because it's great.

Also because it's cheap.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

The European market has always seemed like a tertiary market compared to the US and Asia. I think that's because, despite having some raw number of euros to spend on a product, the European economy has struggled since 2008 compared to the US and Asia, and huge corps which are obsessed with growth don't see an accelerating future for Europe as a customer base.

even if it has struggled it still is a lot of purchasing power

and cloud is an essential service for many companies

and how things played out in recent years has created increasing insensitive to not use Amazone/Google/MS Cloud

but it's marked which isn't really that visible on HN and similar US focused sites

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Wow, 5 years later and what have they actually accomplished? Look at the milestones section: https://gaia-x.eu/what-is-gaia-x/about-gaia-x/

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..and, you know, maybe it's ok. Sometimes i fly over those countries and think to myself. Take Romania for example. Had a troublesome past. Currently not without problems I'm sure, but filthy rich by worldwide standards (not by US standards, but top50 gdp ppp per capita). Does some car stuff that got absorbed by France. Has some IT, some of it moves to/gets acquired by the US. Probably happy? why does everyone need to reinvent Google always.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Wow, 5 years later and what have they actually accomplished? Look at the milestones section: https://gaia-x.eu/what-is-gaia-x/about-gaia-x/

This is too funny. What's to stop an American cloud hyperscaler from creating a "properly patriated" subsidiary that it simply licenses the tech to? Wouldn't that side step the "sovereign" protectionism? An American company would run circles around this mess.

Google is doing this. German and French companies are building a datacenter to GCP standards, will license the code and run essentially whitelabel GCP under full jurisdiction of the EU company. Google can only push updates with their approval and has no visibility into the operations.

https://cloud.google.com/t-systems-sovereign-cloud?hl=en

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Gaia-X is a disaster. The article misrepresents it. Gaia-X is not a framework for what a European cloud should look like. This would be useful. In beautiful EU bureaucratic style It's a framework for how to talk about how a European Cloud could look like. It's not about technical standards. It's about how we can talk about how we can think of maybe eventually deciding on how we can come up with standards that might o…

While most Western governments have gotten increasingly good at communicating with their citizens (i.e. making their web sites and forms accessible in human language, rather than bureaucrat language), and often even go so far as to offer versions in "Simple English" or local-language equivalents, the EU seems to be going the opposite way.

I'd consider myself reasonably accustomed to and able to deal with bureaucracy and formal language, and still find every interaction with official EU sites massively off-putting. Now imagine someone who isn't a native speaker in any of the EU's languages, mentally impaired, or generally quickly feels overwhelmed by bureaucracy.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Wow, 5 years later and what have they actually accomplished? Look at the milestones section: https://gaia-x.eu/what-is-gaia-x/about-gaia-x/

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> EU is a continent of old farts mostly reliant on Auto and Manufacturing industries and big burocratic corporations where there are 500 steps process to perform basic things and immensely risk averse to change to adapting innovation

You don't just sound like a cynic, you sound like an ass for basically insulting half a billion people.

Do you have much experience with big European bureaucratic corporations? I could tell you some stories of big American bureaucratic corporations. Old farts reliant on auto & manufacturing? By that token, the US is reliant on tar sands, fracking, and peddling SUVs.

So please, take a deep breath and try to find some more nuance to discuss, instead of producing a baseless cliché word salad.

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