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Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by kemayo »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #162
unsupp0rted wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit moderates itself so well that even half the legitimate posts get immediately removed by mods or downvoted by users to oblivion

I've actually given up trying to post on Reddit for this reason. Whenever I've tried to join in on a discussion in some subreddit that's relevant(eg r/chess) my post has been autoremoved by a bot because my karma is too low or my account is "too new". Well how can I get any karma if all my posts are deleted?

Comment in subreddits without those restrictions for a bit. E.g. this list: https://www.reddit.com/r/NewToReddit/wiki/index/newusersubs/

I can see how it's frustrating, but the communities you're trying to post in are essentially offloading their moderation burden onto the big popular subreddits with low requirements -- if you can prove you're capable of posting there without getting downvoted into oblivion, you're probably going to be less hassle for the smaller moderator teams.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by whimsicalism »

laurent_du wrote: post #156

If people were using my backyard to sell drugs or CSAM, I knew it, and did nothing about it, I would absolutely be guilty of facilitating these crimes. I fail to see how the situation is different for Pasha.

if i put up a random E2E encrypted messaging side project i made on github and then people started using it for CSAM?

People use government built sidewalks to sell drugs, does that mean I can sue the govt for the drug trade?

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by naasking »

poisonborz wrote: post #42
mazambazz wrote: post #29

This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

You really ask why? This isn't about serving justice - it's statuary example for anyone trying to run an unmoderated platform.

Where are "moderated" and "platform" defined in the relevant legislation?

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by gabaix »

whimsicalism wrote: post #229
loceng wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my understanding the arrest warrant only was created while he was en route; sneaky sneaky..

your understanding is based on what? i would assume this is just standard unsealed warrant like they have in the US

I found this article that explains that the arrest warrant was only to be activated if Pavel was on the French territory.

(French) https://www.sudouest.fr/economie/reseaux-sociaux/le-patron-d...

It could have been a warrant that was not communicated to Durov himself. This would have helped to catch him by surprise.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

devman0 wrote: post #99

A lot of really terrible takes in this comment section. Telegram didn't have encrypted groups by default, and telegram possessed a lot of content on their servers that they had been made aware was illegal and didn't cooperate. Nothing more, nothing less. The comparisons to other providers is off base because either other providers are cooperating more when they possess actionable, unencrypted information and taking s…

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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by Avamander »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #162
unsupp0rted wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit moderates itself so well that even half the legitimate posts get immediately removed by mods or downvoted by users to oblivion

I've actually given up trying to post on Reddit for this reason. Whenever I've tried to join in on a discussion in some subreddit that's relevant(eg r/chess) my post has been autoremoved by a bot because my karma is too low or my account is "too new". Well how can I get any karma if all my posts are deleted?

You ask for the post to get approved. You probably can't imagine the amount of spam subreddits suffer under.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by neilv »

I was talking with someone VC-ish, about my frustration with all the endpoint hardware and communication software being hopelessly insecure for various real threat models.

But that, even if I somehow managed to pull off a successful superior solution, as a startup or an open source/hardware project, I didn't want to see all the worst criminals flock to my service.

Also, I didn't want to be in an adversarial relationship with my own government at times, nor to secretly compromise the solution.

(Probably the compromise-compromise I'd choose would be proactive: I'd have to backdoor for my government from the start, and publicly disclose that there's a backdoor, so I'm not misrepresenting to my users. Which would mean dramatically less adoption, a lot of privacy&secury people cursing it/me, and eventually the backdoor would also be exploited by parties other than the intended.)

And also, I don't have the stomach for adversaries that would include foreign state dirty-tricks agencies.

Most ostensible security solutions on the market are obviously weak, or just plain BS. The ones that might not be, I don't see how they don't run into the same barriers.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by eduction »

Totally irresponsible to cut off the next part of the headline that makes clear he is accused of not cooperating with the authorities on these things. He’s not accused of doing them himself.

If you’re going to edit the headline you’re taking a responsibility. Words and sentences and paragraphs can’t just be cut in arbitrary places any more than code can.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by layer8 »

frankharv wrote: post #95
raverbashing wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal always sounded like they have better lawyers and are not as antagonistic. Police work is not only about encryption. But a lot of it involves metadata. And you know, just booting bad actors from the platform. They also don't have public groups with questionable material, as far as I know

If I were Moxie Marlinspike I would not be traveling to Europe any time soon....

He isn’t Signal’s CEO anymore.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by whimsicalism »

gabaix wrote: post #254
whimsicalism wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

your understanding is based on what? i would assume this is just standard unsealed warrant like they have in the US

I found this article that explains that the arrest warrant was only to be activated if Pavel was on the French territory. (French) https://www.sudouest.fr/economie/reseaux-sociaux/le-patron-d... It could have been a warrant that was not communicated to Durov himself. This would have helped to catch him by surprise.

yeah so sounds like (what in the US we call) a sealed warrant, not that it was literally issued while he was in the air
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