Earlier quoted context omitted.
Telegram doesn't have much to do with E2EE.
Can you, please, elaborate? Wasn't it their main feature and the selling point?
E2EE is optional. Telegram does have it, but you don't need to use it.
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#22Telegram is genuinely the best general communication platform I have ever used, by far. I really hope he has a good lawyer and this doesn't end up getting essentially murdered for creating it. When you create something that is objectively great, everyone will use it - including bad actors.
i gotta agree, i basically live out of telegram.
even with the recent trend towards adding incremental bloat to the client, it’s managed to stay a simple, straightforward tool for communicating with minimal advertising and enough of the features that i need front and center.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
#23What is the difference between telegram and cell phone providers other than encryption in relation to these charges?
The article is very poor mixing the actual charges with unrelated European Union concerns. The charges are not linked to encryption. Most of Telegram is unencrypted anyway.
The issue is with Telegram non cooperation and lack of moderation of publicly available content.
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#24This is what happens when you refuse to hand over the keys.
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#25Two days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41328688
Probably an unrelated coincidence.
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#26I'm genuinely curious to what would happen with Signal if the same bad actors moved to their platform. Would France also be arresting its creators for not properly moderating and giving backdoors?
They are certainly already on Signal, but Signal has end-to-end encryption so cannot supply information other than meta information to authorities.
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#28I really hope this doesn't become an "encryption bad" cudgel. > The main accusation by EU authorities concerns Telegram’s encrypted messaging services, which were allegedly used to facilitate organised crime. One investigator stated that ‘Telegram has become the number one platform for organised crime over the years’, underlining the perceived link between the platform’s privacy features and criminal activities. It's…
I’m not sure I understand. Doesn’t the fact that the prosecutors had him arrested directly imply they perceive a link?
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#29This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again.
Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything.
Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery slope with no defined boundaries where the government can just arbitrary use to pin the blame on the people they don't like. Because ultimately, almost every platform with user-provided content will have some quantity of illegal material.
But maybe I'm just being naive?
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you, please, elaborate? Wasn't it their main feature and the selling point?
E2EE is optional. Telegram does have it, but you don't need to use it.
Telegram also only supports E2EE in one-to-one chats, so any bad guys operating out of group chats / channels are definitely doing so in the clear.