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Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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until the price range becomes below $1000 or so there’s virtually no market. Probably because it's cheaper to fly and literally be somewhere and actually enjoy it rather than exist there for a minute or two and then get bored.

Where can you vacation for $1000?

There are dozens of options for me and I don’t even have to leave the state.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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A counter point on premium VR headsets. They are teleportation devices. I've used every popular VR device, but one Vision Pro experience stood out - 'The Haleakala environment'[1] It was literally like being transported there. I know because I had been in that exact spot a few years before. I have a rich visual memory which served as reference, and no exaggeration, it felt like was there. I was immediately in tears.…

I grew up in the redwood forest and I do not always have enough time in my life to go back to them. I would love a vision pro experience where I can be in the redwoods! I think for me the teleportation experience is more important than gaming, tho gaming is rad too (I loved Half Life Alyx on my Index). Do you know if there are environments available that are in the redwood forest? Also does anyone know what kind of m…

Right now the environments are like Apple Watch faces. First party only, and we’re getting about 1 new one per year.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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The fidelity of a real local $1000 experience vs a fake one is a lot different even if you can’t travel as far.

That doesn’t really answer the question. What real local experience can you have for $1000 that isn’t in your back yard?

I got curious and looked. I'm from Sweden and for $1000 I could get to Cabo Verde, Madeira and or course most parts of Europe (like Italy, Greece, France). That is for flight and hotel. You need to eat as well of course, but that you need to do at home as well.

I wouldn't call Africa my back yard.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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I had such an emotional experience using the visionOS 2 beta to spatialize old photos. It was already amazing seeing it take a photo from 15 years ago and turn it 3D; but then when I "pinched" into it to make it become immersive and was suddenly in a place I hadn't been in years, with my (then young) kids looking just as they did back then, seeming to be standing there in the room with me… it was profound. I can't th…

Wait what, it has an app that will convert a picture into a 3d environment? That's amazing.

Yes, it’s the iOS photos app (in visionOS 2.0) and it’s 100% the Killer App of the product.

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> I contend that almost every problem solvable by a wearable can be solved “well enough” by a smartphone, to the point where an additional device is not worth the trouble for the marginal benefit I've found glanceable notifications on my smartwatch to be really useful. Dismissing or answering calls without taking out my phone (or without my phone at all since the watch has mobile connectivity), quickly seeing text me…

I've found notifications period to be a net negative to my life. I have almost all of them off. > Dismissing or answering calls without taking out my phone (or without my phone at all since the watch has mobile connectivity), quickly seeing text messages (especially 2 factor auth codes). The distraction of even looking breaks me out of the zone. So no, don't need a watch for notifications.

Same. I have found notifications on my Apple Watch even more distracting on the phone. The vibration is particularly annoying when you are in hyper-focus. So I have also disabled most notifications on my Watch.

I do like it a lot for other things like workouts, having connectivity without bringing my phone along, etc.

Also, I don't really understand the benefit for 2-factor codes. On the Mac and iPhone they can be autofilled from messages. So, I never need to see/read/type them.

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it's likely dumber than that: bait and switch. Facebook had done this before: they gave third parties rich access to their data via Graph API, which in turn helped Facebook to grow. Once their social graph growth phase began to slow down, Facebook severely cut off data access.

Well, that's an interesting way of framing it.

Yeah it’s wrong. They locked it down because it was a regulatory and reputational disaster.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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The killer app is pr0n, but Apple won't allow it while Zuck loves to watch over your shoulder.

vr porn ain't that good. the artists need to up their game

Be the change you wish to see in the world.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Isn't it simple why AVP isn't moving? They don't treat anime-loli-porn content, chiefly VRChat, as first class citizens, if they support those at all. Tons of people have bought and are buying Quest 2 and 3 as well as its competitors with sole intent of using it with VRChat. Don't you guys all remember that iPhoneOS had YouTube since version 1.0, before it even had App Store? Where would you think iOS would have been…

Watching the same dynamic play out in GenAI. Stability AI refused to cater to this crowd (the chief actual users of their models) and are paying like hell for it. The reality is that coomers ARE the market for a lot of GenAI, no matter how much puritans don't want to admit it.

The coomers are also nearly entirely responsible for the success of

Home video

Payments on the Internet

Streaming video

HD streaming and downloadable video

The Patreon style business model

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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post #53

A counter point on premium VR headsets. They are teleportation devices. I've used every popular VR device, but one Vision Pro experience stood out - 'The Haleakala environment'[1] It was literally like being transported there. I know because I had been in that exact spot a few years before. I have a rich visual memory which served as reference, and no exaggeration, it felt like was there. I was immediately in tears.…

In practice, how often would you “teleport”? Once a month maybe? The experience you mentioned sounds profound, but also fairly niche

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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They have a long history of ridding the cost curve down, but it’s not that fast. The 2010 iPad was 720$ adjusted for inflation, the current iPad better in basically every way starts at 350$. Original 2007 iPhone would be 908$ inflation adjusted while the iPhone SE is 429$. My guess is it’s either discontinued or the 2040 Vision (non pro) is going to be strictly better in basically every way but still more than 1000$…

Pricing the se and base model ipad is a bit disingenuous. You look at the flagships and they kept up with inflation adjusted pricing. Iphone and ipad 1 were flagships. Not old hardware released for a song.

I wouldn’t call either of them a flagship product, just the product. They added new titles for those premium products. At release it was called an “iPad” and in 2024 they still call the base model an “iPad” while also having an “iPad Air” and “iPad Pro.”

It makes sense as a strategy, a mid 90’s 2,000$ desktop is ~5,000$ today inflation adjusted. Few people spend that on a desktop today the market just shifts and you need to keep up. Meanwhile there’s a tiny percentage of people who just don’t care that much about money so you want something to milk such people for all they are willing to spend.

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