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BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by peutetre »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #197
root_axis wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla has massively benefited from subsidies to EVs, but is alienating the political party that has enabled all of that. Well, he's expecting some reciprocity from the next administration for all his help, and Trump has said openly that he will support EVs as a consequence of Elon's strong support.

> Trump has said openly that he will support EVs Source? Recent news says otherwise. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-conside...

Trump says he's for electric cars because "I have to be, you know, because Elon endorsed me very strongly, Elon. So I have no choice":

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/elon-musks-endor...

What Trump is really saying is that he's for sale.

Trump also told the oil industry he's for sale. He said they should give him $1 billion and that would be a "deal" because he would help them avoid taxation and regulation:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/09/trump-oil...

Everything is transactional with Trump. He's only interested if it benefits him personally. He only cares about himself.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by hedora »

nikcub wrote: post #121
root_axis wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla has massively benefited from subsidies to EVs, but is alienating the political party that has enabled all of that. Well, he's expecting some reciprocity from the next administration for all his help, and Trump has said openly that he will support EVs as a consequence of Elon's strong support.

Doubt either next administration will do better for Tesla than Biden's up to $7500 EV tax credit and 100% import duty on Chinese EVs

Biden really should have made the import duty contingent on the US manufacturers not abandoning / slow-walking their EV lineups:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a61935592/ford-cancels-thr...

At this point, it feels more like a ban on affordable mainstream EVs than an anti-price-dumping measure.

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Post by tbrownaw »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #195
Mistletoe wrote: post #118

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We cancelled ours when he tweeted and insinuated there were valid reasons for someone sneaking into the Pelosi house and hitting her husband in the head with a hammer. It would have been our second Tesla purchase and now we have none. Could not imagine being associated with Elon in any way and certainly not in the car I drive around.

> We cancelled ours when he tweeted and insinuated there were valid reasons for someone sneaking into the Pelosi house and hitting her husband in the head with a hammer Actually it is you who is insinuating something, incorrectly. You’re suggesting that Musk said the attack was justified. He didn’t. He retweeted an article that suggested a connection between the attacker and Paul Pelosi, and Musk added, “There is a t…

> Musk was careful to acknowledge that the chance that there was more to the story was low (“tiny possibility”).

These days I usually default to reading that sort of comment as saying the things with the tiny chance was likely, and the smaller the stated chance the higher the likelihood.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by givemeethekeys »

sangnoir wrote: post #163
givemeethekeys wrote: post #46

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As far as ICE vehicles go, most mechanics will advise you to lease a BMW / Audi over buying one. After 60k miles, the maintenance costs and electrical gremlins are noticeably frequent. German EV's are probably better built - fewer electrical issues over a longer duration (I hope), and fewer moving parts to replace. I think this is a product differentiation / segmentation problem. People who wanted the current Tesla o…

Even if German cars don't last, when they roll off the assembly line, they don't have panel gaps and loose or missing parts. There's also a difference in brand positioning. If I know nothing except the car one drives, driving a Tesla, BMW, Audi or Mercedes conjures up different stereotypes in my mind. Which manufacturer wpuld you associate with the following: a Senior VP at Goldman, a petrolhead who does occasional t…

Your reasoning is based on 5 year old data. A lot has changed since then.

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Post by ToValueFunfetti »

acdha wrote: post #217
leesec wrote: post #127

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What are you talking about lol. It's best selling car in the world over 100k and widely loved

They’ve sold 16k according to this and the inventory stacking up suggests they aren’t getting 80k more sales very quickly. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...

That's also how I interpreted the parent (over 100k sold), but the intended meaning does appear in that article:

>Cybertruck sold nearly 4,800 units in July - its best month yet and making it by far the best-selling vehicle in the U.S. priced over $100,000

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by slg »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #226
slg wrote: post #191

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>But also, "misgendering people" is a point of political dispute. If I ask you to call me Bill and you keep calling me William, you're an asshole. I don't know how misgendering people is any different. Just call people what they want to be called. You don't have to turn this into some ideological battle.

> I don't know how misgendering people is any different. If your gender is like your name, which you can choose yourself, then it can't be bound to anything you can't change, like your chromosomes or the hormone levels you had during puberty. In other words, it can't map to biological sex. Which, okay, that's kind of the idea, isn't it? Someone wants to have sex male but gender female. Except that then nobody really…

You're overcomplicating it. As I said, "You don't have to turn this into some ideological battle." Someone asked the tiniest favor of you, simply refer to them how they want to be referred, and you said no. That goes beyond any ideology.

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Post by slg »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #228
slg wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But also, "misgendering people" is a point of political dispute. If I ask you to call me Bill and you keep calling me William, you're an asshole. I don't know how misgendering people is any different. Just call people what they want to be called. You don't have to turn this into some ideological battle.

Forcing speech is different than recommendations.

I personally don't have a problem with any site having a rule of "don't be an asshole on our platform." It's the first rule of this site, for example.

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Post by makeitdouble »

giobox wrote: post #89
makeitdouble wrote: post #78

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BYD is already way ahead. https://evmarketsreports.com/byd-and-tesla-lead-the-global-e... (except if you really were focusing on single model sales, but I'm not sure it's relevant)

These statistics include plug-in hybrid gas cars (PHEV), of which BYD sell a lot, and Tesla do not make at all. > "The company’s (BYD) success is driven by a dual strategy of producing both fully electric vehicles (BEVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs)..."

Is the EV/PHEV separation meaningful when comparing to other makers ? PHEV are mainly used on their electric capacity, on daily short trips.

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Post by aworks »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #195
Mistletoe wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We cancelled ours when he tweeted and insinuated there were valid reasons for someone sneaking into the Pelosi house and hitting her husband in the head with a hammer. It would have been our second Tesla purchase and now we have none. Could not imagine being associated with Elon in any way and certainly not in the car I drive around.

> We cancelled ours when he tweeted and insinuated there were valid reasons for someone sneaking into the Pelosi house and hitting her husband in the head with a hammer Actually it is you who is insinuating something, incorrectly. You’re suggesting that Musk said the attack was justified. He didn’t. He retweeted an article that suggested a connection between the attacker and Paul Pelosi, and Musk added, “There is a t…

Why would I want to know about Musk thinks in this situation? I don't particularly look to CEOs for guidance on political and societal issues.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

jackedEngineer wrote: post #88

I did some digging.The title is misleading - YTD Tesla is way ahead - https://imgur.com/56eG7CN Actual Numbers - BMW registration for the month of July 2024 were up by 300~ cars. Original Source - https://www.jato.com/resources/media-and-press-releases/bmw-... Quoting this comment - streptomycin- Yes https://i.imgur.com/ZNv1AyD.jpg Although BMW is making some nice EVs and they are selling more than they used to, the…

"The title is misleading."

OK, let's assume the title misled me. What do I now believe as a result that is incorrect.

Titles are not summaries. It is expected that readers will read the body of the submission not merely the title. Is the JATO Dynamics report accurate. The title is simply repeating an alleged fact contained in the report. Is it false.

If all a reader ever does is read titles, I am afraid "misled" is an understatement for how disllusioned that reader may become.

People defending Tesla and Musk always come across as try hard.

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