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BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

I was firmly against ever buying a Tesla because of Elon’s Twitter escapades.

Then they dropped the price, dramatically, and I found myself on the fence.

Then Elon endorsed Trump and promised to spend the money I’d give him for the Tesla on electing Trump (albeit indirectly).

So, I do not have a Tesla, nor will I ever be tempted again, not even if they are selling for $1.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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I did some digging.The title is misleading - YTD Tesla is way ahead - https://imgur.com/56eG7CN Actual Numbers - BMW registration for the month of July 2024 were up by 300~ cars. Original Source - https://www.jato.com/resources/media-and-press-releases/bmw-... Quoting this comment - streptomycin- Yes https://i.imgur.com/ZNv1AyD.jpg Although BMW is making some nice EVs and they are selling more than they used to, the…

Announcing BMW sold more EV’s in a single month (and they are using registrations which means actual sales) is interesting on its own. Sure it might just be random fluctuation at this point, but that just means they are neck and neck.

IMO waiting for a full quarter may be more reasonable, but waiting for a full year and it’s old news.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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The Wall Street Journal is hardly left-leaning, and they were the source of the story: https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/elon-musk-has-said-he... … and you might want to check with the source before saying he didn’t announce anything: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1815911188024225967

WSJ is owned by Murdoch, who also owns FoxNews.

You know, I didn’t think that needed to be said but I might have been overly-charitable.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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>best self-driving ability That's a useless superlative unless it's level 5.

Why? Monitoring FSD is noticeably less stressful than driving a normal car.

Is it?

You always know what you're are doing next.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Maybe. Still going to have the best selling car in the world this year.

BYD is already way ahead. https://evmarketsreports.com/byd-and-tesla-lead-the-global-e... (except if you really were focusing on single model sales, but I'm not sure it's relevant)

No, Tesla outsells BYD in pure electric vehicles.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/byd-ma...

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Maybe. Still going to have the best selling car in the world this year.

I don't know what models sell the most, but BYD passed Tesla on sales of fully electric cars in Q4 2023. And they're growing very very fast.

False, Tesla took the crown back in 2024, which wouldn't happen if BYD was actually "growing very very fast".

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/byd-ma...

You won't see that story on HN unlike the Q4 2023 news which was on HN several times because only bad news about Tesla gets upvoted here and on Reddit. And the propaganda works, because as you can see people start believing in falsehoods.

BYD pure electric sales were down 43% and you say they're growing very very fast? What?

On Reddit a comment like this with a counterpoint and source can get you permabanned from large subreddits like /r/news because it goes against the agenda. Recently it happened to people posting SpaceX responses.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

Yes, Tesla's execution has been really terrible. There's some really good tech inside their cars, but the direction of which cars to make, when, and the investments in non-car tech, the over-promising of "Full Self Driving," etc. All huge detractors. There's also the CEO, who has a huge public profile, deciding to become extremely political, which smart CEOs usually avoid doing because it has little potential to help…

> deciding to become extremely political

personally, my purchase decisions do not include the personality or celebrity of the company (CEO or otherwise).

There's objective measures you compare against another product (like price, looks, performance, quality etc), and you choose the best fit.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Mercedes is taking legal liability for their L3 system. That's better than Tesla GM's supercruise allows safe hands free driving as a L2 system. That's better than Tesla Waymo is operating a true L4 system in multiple markets. That's better than Tesla. Tesla has a better than average L2 system in autopilot. They have a downright dangerous L2 system in FSD that through its very design encourages unsafe driving habits.…

FSD literally yells at you if you look away for more than 2-3 seconds. it's much safer than not

In my very recent test drive, it (a) flashed a message that it couldn’t tell whether I was looking at the road because I was wearing sunglasses and would continue operating anyway and (b) very nearly caused a collision due to an inappropriate maneuver in an intersection.

For an optimal driver-assisted recovery in the latter incident, I needed to have been paying rather close attention to the navigation, the lane lines, and surrounding vehicles, starting before the incident, and I needed to take a rather fast and considered action. It was dicey. But this would have been a complete nonissue if I were _actually driving the car_, because that’s how humans work. The middle ground of not driving but being ready to override instantly is simply not how humans work.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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And a technical sense yes but the only new model they’ve released recently is the cyber truck. Otherwise their sedans and crossovers outwardly appear to be basically the same thing they were selling in 2012. Meanwhile, BMW has a fleet of eight different electric vehicles, with more modern styling, leather, and just the ability to differentiate. Of course, Tesla is well into the black on their models whereas I doubt t…

The new Model 3 is new and has lots of interior features not found in competitors' cars of the same price range (ventilated and heated rear seats, screen for rear occupants, ambient lighting, Autopilot as standard, etc).

It’s also missing features that everyone else has (handles for entry/exit, a dashboard instrument cluster, lots of interior storage, support for physical keys, AirPlay / Android Auto, a forward/reverse selector, etc).

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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And a technical sense yes but the only new model they’ve released recently is the cyber truck. Otherwise their sedans and crossovers outwardly appear to be basically the same thing they were selling in 2012. Meanwhile, BMW has a fleet of eight different electric vehicles, with more modern styling, leather, and just the ability to differentiate. Of course, Tesla is well into the black on their models whereas I doubt t…

Huh? The model 3 didn't come out until 2017 and the model Y came out in 2020. That's literally just four years ago - not 2012. I own a 2019 model 3 and will be replacing it with a 2024. In those 5 years, it's accumulated a bunch of improvements. I don't exactly have a changelog to work with, but here's what I can think of off the top of my head: - more powerful rear motor, 10% faster 0-60, breaking 10s quarter mile -…

With that “triple pane glass” (which I’m pretty sure is laminated glass, not insulated glass), keep in mind a little design issue common to every Tesla ever made: the complete lack of any non-electrical way to open a door from outside. If there’s an electrical failure and someone needs rescuing from the car at all quickly, one needs to break a window. If all the window glass is laminated, this is not so easy.

There are stories of people getting out of a Tesla to help their kids out, closing the driver door before opening the back door, and having the electrical system die before opening the rear door. Whoops!

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