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BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

Yes that's what we're told, without evidence of any kind.

What kind of evidence do you want? I’m a car buyer and I’ve gone from seeing Tesla as a decent brand to one I will not consider at all, because I don’t want to associate myself with Musk’s behaviour. It’s not a conspiracy - some people just don’t like him, and there are good alternatives.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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I would never buy Tesla personally if there is an alrernative with decades of experience, like BMW

Odd since BMWs are not known for reliabilty

> Odd since BMWs are not known for reliability

It really depends on the model. When a company produces 2 million cars a year and has a shitload of models in their lineup, some are going to be problematic.

For gasoline engine, for example, the B48 engine is highly reliable [1]

I'm one of those "oddballs" who'll never ever buy a new car because to me buying a new car is deciding to be a guinea pig. I buy cars that are 3 to 5 years old, once it's known if the model is a reliable one or not.

Take, say, a used 4-series "Gran Coupé" with the B48 engine. It's a complete bargain, ultra-reliable and one heck of a sweet ride. I drive higher-end stuff but we picked that for my wife two years ago and it's really a good car.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_B48

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Must didn’t announce any kind of contribution to Trump. Various left leaning social media figures ran this misinformation, however, I assume in an attempt to galvanize their side into donating and to continue their unhinged attacks on Musk.

The Wall Street Journal is hardly left-leaning, and they were the source of the story: https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/elon-musk-has-said-he... … and you might want to check with the source before saying he didn’t announce anything: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1815911188024225967

WSJ is owned by Murdoch, who also owns FoxNews.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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I think it should be the opposite. If you buy a cheap thing and suddenly start feeling uncomfortable using it in public, you can just buy another cheap thing. With expensive things, you want to play it safe, because replacing it will be expensive if you start having second thoughts.

Step 1 is to stop buying things (or not) because you care how it will make you look to other people who don’t actually care. I don’t have a Tesla, but if someone is going to judge me based on the assumed political views of the CEO of the car brand I happen to drive… they need to get a life. Does the company make a good car? That’s the only thing that actually matters.

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Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Yes, Tesla's execution has been really terrible. There's some really good tech inside their cars, but the direction of which cars to make, when, and the investments in non-car tech, the over-promising of "Full Self Driving," etc. All huge detractors. There's also the CEO, who has a huge public profile, deciding to become extremely political, which smart CEOs usually avoid doing because it has little potential to help…

> Tesla has massively benefited from subsidies to EVs, but is alienating the political party that has enabled all of that. Well, he's expecting some reciprocity from the next administration for all his help, and Trump has said openly that he will support EVs as a consequence of Elon's strong support.

> Trump has said

His word is worth nothing.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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That’s what marketing is, but as individuals we should seek to understand the goal of marketing so we don’t blindly fall for it. It’s not real. As the old saying goes… we spend money we don’t have, on things we don’t need, to impress people we don’t care about. We can choose to not do that, and the marketing department can go to hell.

Regardless of how true your point is, millions of 20-something year old men exist in the market that haven't yet, or never will, reach your state of capitalism nirvana.

So your assumption justifies judging Tesla owners? Doesn't seem very enlightened of you either

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Tesla still way ahead in yearly sales and other EV's are suffering tremendously from large incentives to clear their inventories. Model Y remains on track to be the best selling car in the world two years in a row, while being roughly double the cost of the next best selling car.

No, BYD passed Tesla in sales in Q4 2023. Tesla was ahead, but that is no longer the case.

Byd is selling $10k vehicles. Those would be considered nice golf carts in the us.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Must didn’t announce any kind of contribution to Trump. Various left leaning social media figures ran this misinformation, however, I assume in an attempt to galvanize their side into donating and to continue their unhinged attacks on Musk.

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Take this rhetoric back to Reddit. There’s no place for it here.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#240
I’m sorry, is there really that much people buying brand new cars ? I feel so poor when I see those prices and I’m not (for a European). The prices of new cars shock me. I even feel like people criticize the price of an iPhone or AVP because it’s too expensive but with cars … the price of a paint is the price of the iPhone (metaphorically, options are really expensive) and nobody debate any of that ?
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