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BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Maybe. Still going to have the best selling car in the world this year.

BYD is already way ahead. https://evmarketsreports.com/byd-and-tesla-lead-the-global-e... (except if you really were focusing on single model sales, but I'm not sure it's relevant)

Lol, misinterprets what I said then says its not relevant

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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> Tesla has massively benefited from subsidies to EVs, but is alienating the political party that has enabled all of that. Well, he's expecting some reciprocity from the next administration for all his help, and Trump has said openly that he will support EVs as a consequence of Elon's strong support.

The political party that ignored Tesla’s accomplishments because of union politics?

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Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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I would never buy Tesla personally if there is an alrernative with decades of experience, like BMW

Odd since BMWs are not known for reliabilty

Perhaps I’m the odd one out but I haven’t had any issues in 20 years of BMW ownership across two continents. Never had to do anything except routine service and consumables. One 3-series diesel in Europe made it to 220k miles before I sold it, and it’s likely got another 10 years of daily driving in it.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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I did some digging.The title is misleading - YTD Tesla is way ahead - https://imgur.com/56eG7CN Actual Numbers - BMW registration for the month of July 2024 were up by 300~ cars. Original Source - https://www.jato.com/resources/media-and-press-releases/bmw-... Quoting this comment - streptomycin- Yes https://i.imgur.com/ZNv1AyD.jpg Although BMW is making some nice EVs and they are selling more than they used to, the…

> BMW registration for the month of July 2024

Do the manufactures consider sales to dealers in their sales numbers or are they actual sales to people that then registers the car as in use?

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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The step-change is real, and a lot of people don't know that Tesla now has the best self-driving ability out of all the competition. But that's only true on 4th gen hardware, and unfortunately that represents a minority of the vehicles sold to date.

>best self-driving ability That's a useless superlative unless it's level 5.

Why? Monitoring FSD is noticeably less stressful than driving a normal car.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#116
post #34

The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

Maybe. Still going to have the best selling car in the world this year.

I don't know what models sell the most, but BYD passed Tesla on sales of fully electric cars in Q4 2023. And they're growing very very fast.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#117

The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

I think you're right, but I'm not so sure it's actually impacting sales to a large degree. For most people a 50k car is a huge investment that won't hinge on whether or not you agree with the CEO's politics.

tesla vehicles have a unique feature that every time elon tweets the resale value drops another 50 bucks

regardless of your politics, it's not a good thing

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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post #36

The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

I'm not convinced that's actually the dominant factor. The market share for EVs is still small enough that there's no real shortage of buyers. But it turns out that having a hundred years of domain experience building cars actually matters for something. Tesla cars have had a lot of avoidable failures on technical merits.

We cancelled ours when he tweeted and insinuated there were valid reasons for someone sneaking into the Pelosi house and hitting her husband in the head with a hammer.

It would have been our second Tesla purchase and now we have none. Could not imagine being associated with Elon in any way and certainly not in the car I drive around.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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This is going to happen eventually. There are many reasons why Tesla is going to hit a ceiling.

Tesla build quality is terrible. Their service department is overbooked, under staffed, expensive, and not set up for success. Environmental people won't want to support Elon, and right wing people who like him won't want to buy an electric car.

It's only a matter of time before established players eat Tesla's lunch.

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