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BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

Second-hand Tesla Model 3s are ready affordable in NL, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to buy a Tesla because of all the stink attached to, well, everything.

This pains me because the Model 3/S is a decent sedan and one of - if not the most - efficient cars on the market.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#32
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a good heuristic since Teslas have been far better than the i3

Depends on how you measure it. Teslas rank at #1 as the most faulty electric car in existence. Everything else than the battery or motors are poor quality if you compare to any other above average brand.

I would rather take panel gaps and paint chips than faulty battery or motors. Most sources would agree that small cosmetic defects aside, Tesla has the quite good drivetrain and battery reliability.

[0] https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...

[1] https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a good heuristic since Teslas have been far better than the i3

Depends on how you measure it. Teslas rank at #1 as the most faulty electric car in existence. Everything else than the battery or motors are poor quality if you compare to any other above average brand.

most faulty by raw numbers or by %?

Also poor quality of what?

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#36

The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

I'm not convinced that's actually the dominant factor. The market share for EVs is still small enough that there's no real shortage of buyers.

But it turns out that having a hundred years of domain experience building cars actually matters for something. Tesla cars have had a lot of avoidable failures on technical merits.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#37
Tesla still way ahead in yearly sales and other EV's are suffering tremendously from large incentives to clear their inventories. Model Y remains on track to be the best selling car in the world two years in a row, while being roughly double the cost of the next best selling car.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#38
What a frustrating article.. I couldn’t find the actual number of sales. This article seems to be about the same story and indicates this was in regards to monthly sales: https://www.teslarati.com/bmw-overtakes-tesla-in-europe-july...

It is good to see there are more players creating EVs that people are willing to buy.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#39
post #26

The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

Yeah as a former Model S owner I don’t want it be associated with the brand or support it any more. Also it was a crap car.

I saw a Tesla with a giant bumper sticker on the back that read:

"I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy"

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

#40
post #29

The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

I hear people say this bit then I see those same people go and buy Teslas anyway. The real reason Tesla is suffering is because they've not delivered on innovation, quality, or price in a long time.

>The real reason Tesla is suffering is because they've not delivered on innovation, quality, or price in a long time.

Haha what. Price has dropped, quality increased, their self driving tech recently had a step change in functionality. I don't really think Tesla is suffering but I think most of these narratives are in peoples heads and don't reflect reality.

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