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Re: Let Maya Speak For Herself

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Would I be right in understanding; Apple can remove an application, from your devices, you have already paid for? Edit: This comment summed up my feelings on the subject: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4104485

I'm not sure about apps on the app store, but I know Amazon has this capability with kindle books, which they've used in the past:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18ama...

The book in question?

1984.

Re: Let Maya Speak For Herself

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Seriously? PRC are selling to people with disabilities a software with a Windows 7 tablet: https://store.prentrom.com/product_info.php/cPath/11/product...

And check the options... +475$ for an additional 2GB of RAM! Prices for other options are as outrageous.

I don't know what price Speak for Yourself was selling for but I'm glad they are making these kind of tools more accessible.

Re: Let Maya Speak For Herself

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They keep talking about Apple updating the OS, but why in the world would they let that happen?

Turn updates off! This is your child's voice, don't put somebody else in control of it!

Turn off wireless, mobile data, everything. This should be a dedicated device, and if I were the family, I wouldn't use it for anything else, and wouldn't allow any changes.

I mean, it sucks for the kids who don't have this app yet who need it, but for people who rely on it already, don't just sit there and lament the sword of Damocles dangling over your head, get out from under it.

Re: Let Maya Speak For Herself

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post #24

They keep talking about Apple updating the OS, but why in the world would they let that happen? Turn updates off! This is your child's voice, don't put somebody else in control of it! Turn off wireless, mobile data, everything. This should be a dedicated device, and if I were the family, I wouldn't use it for anything else, and wouldn't allow any changes. I mean, it sucks for the kids who don't have this app yet who…

They haven't let that happen, but they're worried about future updates, etc.

FTA:

> At the moment, we still have the app. But we are now shadowed by a huge, impending threat. With the removal of Speak for Yourself from the iTunes store, the SfY team has lost the ability to send out updates or repairs to the people who are currently using the app. At this point, an update from Apple to the iPad's operating system could render SfY useless. Our app could stop working, and Maya would be left unable to speak, and no one would be able to help us.

Re: Let Maya Speak For Herself

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post #6

2689 votes at the time of writing. If everybody donated a dollar instead of a signature, there'd be an app available on another platform by now.

if you can create a life-changing app that is worth this much to this many people, and can do it for $2689 all-told, I'd like to get in touch with you.

You can find me on Twitter - @woogoose - let's take it from there!

Re: Let Maya Speak For Herself

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post #25
post #24

They keep talking about Apple updating the OS, but why in the world would they let that happen? Turn updates off! This is your child's voice, don't put somebody else in control of it! Turn off wireless, mobile data, everything. This should be a dedicated device, and if I were the family, I wouldn't use it for anything else, and wouldn't allow any changes. I mean, it sucks for the kids who don't have this app yet who…

They haven't let that happen, but they're worried about future updates, etc. FTA: > At the moment, we still have the app. But we are now shadowed by a huge, impending threat. With the removal of Speak for Yourself from the iTunes store, the SfY team has lost the ability to send out updates or repairs to the people who are currently using the app. At this point, an update from Apple to the iPad's operating system coul…

I know, that's my point. I don't have an iPad, but can't you turn off updates? Can't you turn off networking entirely? If so, how would an update even occur?

Don't just sit there in fear of an update, prevent it.

Re: Let Maya Speak For Herself

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post #9

Maybe a stupid question: but do you need iTunes to install an .ipa file? I've seen some programs that can just install these files on any iDevice without the use of iTunes. And isn't Xcode and an Apple acount enough to sign the app?

Are you talking about distributing ipa files outside of the App Store? As I understand it, you also need $100/year and you're limited to provisioning 100 UDIDs. I don't think this is actually an alternative.

The app maker could sell a XCode project. Each end-user would pay Apple's $99 license fee, provision their own devices, and sign the app with their own key.

Re: Let Maya Speak For Herself

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The app they are running is in fact a near clone of an app sold by a company who personally trained the authors of the clone. The app does use patented technologies. So from a legal standpoint, there is little chance this app and its company will survive the suit. One possibility for successful defense would be software patent law unexpectedly collapsing during litigation due to a surprise ruling by SCOTUS on some other case. This is a long shot. Another possibility would be the defending party countersuing, challenging the validity of the patent and succeeding. This is possible, but expensive to do and will take many years. Even if they succeed overturning the patent, it will still be challenging to prevail overall, given their intimate association with the patent holder and likelihood of existing contracts between them.

So what to do in the meantime? Normally what would happen is the plaintiff would seek the judge to issue an injunction against sales pending trial, which would have to prove there is a high likelihood they would prevail in the litigation.

This is being skipped because of the App Store situation, where there is a gatekeeper able to remove products from sale for arbitrary or even nonexistent reasons. The existence of these stores, free from competition (they certainly can not go to the Amazon iPad store and download the software there because Amazon isn't allowed access to install iPad apps therefore there is no competition and Apple has a monopoly on running iOS software stores) is a large threat to software and customer freedom.

I agree this is a really bad situation, but it is one that Apple customers voluntarily accept when they buy products for this platform, and that developers accept when they develop products for this platform. It's like buying a house with an authoritarian Homeowners Association that is capricious and issues fines for painting your fences the same color as before without paying $2200 to the History, Style and Architecture Review Committee to have a public hearing to review and approve your fence painting plans. It is no secret the system exists or how it works, and persons subjecting them to the whims of others in these situations know what they are getting into and accept the terms.

So what to do? Many things are possible. Here are a few.

1. As has been mentioned, disable all updates, turn off wifi, use this iPad only for this app and buy another iPad if you want to update it.

2. Purchase the multi-thousand dollar version on custom hardware published by the plaintiff. (Presumably insurance companies normally pay for this option.)

3. Jailbreak the iPad and convince the program's authors to release a jailbroken compatible version.

4. Convince the publisher to relocate outside the US in a country that does not recognize software patents this encompassing and sell the program on the Android pad platform.

Re: Let Maya Speak For Herself

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post #24

They keep talking about Apple updating the OS, but why in the world would they let that happen? Turn updates off! This is your child's voice, don't put somebody else in control of it! Turn off wireless, mobile data, everything. This should be a dedicated device, and if I were the family, I wouldn't use it for anything else, and wouldn't allow any changes. I mean, it sucks for the kids who don't have this app yet who…

IIRC they've already done that stuff.
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