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Re: Microsoft Introduces New "Surface" Tablet

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So, to recap, no price, no demo of what it can actually do or why I would want one, two models with different processor architectures and significantly varying weights (1.5 and 2 lbs), awkward portrait 16:9 aspect ratio, no mention of battery life or availability, vents and cooling fans, two keyboards that look miserable to type on, but I'll reserve judgement until I've used one myself, and an admittedly useful kicks…

why I would want one

I think that should be obvious. It's a computer.

two models with different processor architectures and significantly varying weights

God forbid they release models for the two processors they support. You'd never see Apple making different models with different processor architectures and different weights.

awkward portrait 16:9 aspect ratio

Sort of like every laptop on the market right now. They're all really awkward.

no mention of... vents and cooling fans

Perimeter venting. See [1] and search for "venting". They did mention this.

This strikes me as a reactionary announcement

Reactionary announcements tend not to be well-planned or thought out months or years ahead of time. A product with this tight of tolerances can't be rushed in a defensive move. Is it a reaction to the changing world of computing? Yes. It is a reactionary move as in immediately defensive? No.

The surface is trying to be all things to all people.

That's been Microsoft's mantra since day one. A computer in every home, on every desk. Running Windows.

[1] http://www.trustedreviews.com/microsoft-surface-tablet-for-w...

Re: Microsoft Introduces New "Surface" Tablet

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If this lives up to the promise, it will definitely replace my netbook. This looks like something that will perform well as a tablet for apps and light internet usage, and is an easy form-factor to take to a coffeeshop for some hacking or writing as a netbook replacement. EDIT: Why downvote ?? I don't care about the points, just curious if you are MS haters or something.

Don't stress about down votes, life is too short.

Re: Microsoft Introduces New "Surface" Tablet

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Microsoft Surface == enterprise manageable tablets. IT organizations familiar with managing fleets of ubiquitous Windows workstations (desktop or notebook) will be able to now manage cheaper Windows convertibles.

Similar to how Apple (and Microsoft, and Google) would drop machines in schools to indoctrinate the next generation, Microsoft is going after users where they use computers the most: in the office.

Those that do not get "Surface" per se, will at least be familiar with it in a few years, after they have been exposed to other Windows 8 profiles at work (or on new home computers).

Re: Microsoft Introduces New "Surface" Tablet

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Microsoft couldn't choose between ARM and x86 and this will be a huge problem for them. It's emblematic of the terrible position that they're in, trying not to be left behind while trying to refresh and extend their aging desktop OS monopoly. These products do nothing well. A stylus? That's a bullet on a PowerPoint, not a compelling feature. I felt sad watching them retell their passionless internal talking points wh…

Why choose? Apple doesn't choose, they use both. The two architectures are used for completely different purposes; they both have significant advantages and significant disadvantages. The consumer can choose which one has the better featureset for their use case.

An active digitizer stylus which allows graphic designers and note takers to write on the screen while rejecting finger input is a compelling feature.

Re: Microsoft Introduces New "Surface" Tablet

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I don't understand the "OMG MICROSOFT MADE A TABLET IT IS CLEARLY COPYING THE IPAD" reaction Microsoft's getting here. They're absolutely ahead of the curve with the blending of mobile and desktop operating systems, something which I am extremely happy they are doing, and this is absolutely the logical design choices someone in that position would make. Yes, it's very similar to the iPad in many ways. But other than…

It's pretty obvious where that reaction is coming from.

As recently as last year Microsoft was singing the praises of being able to kinda-sorta-use desktop software on a tablet and pushing the notion that things without desktop operating systems were 'consumption' devices, at best.

So, yes, their sudden reversal on what people want in a tablet is worth noting and easily justifies the same kind of quips and barbs that people lob at Apple over Jobs' similar reversals [1].

And it's pretty easy to be ahead of the curve on blending mobile and desktop operating systems when Microsoft is the only party who sees a problem to be solved in the first place. [2]

Because this entire concept -- that people want both -- comes apart at the seams about a month after you've owned an Apple or Android tablet. [3]

Simply: there's no user-facing problem being solved here.

People use tablets for what they're great at and desktop PCs for what they're great at. And no-one who's ever put their tablet down to use their laptop is looking at that Microsoft Surface tablet and saying "this will mean I don't have to put the tablet down for these tasks anymore". [4]

Microsoft is attempting to solve it's own problem with this blending concept and the degree to which this tablet succeeds, is going to strongly track the degree to which Windows stays out of the Metro experience [5].

[1] "No-one wants a widget." (Smash cut to 18 months later) "Introducing Apple's new iWidget!"

[2] That Windows is irrelevant in a growing computing market.

[3] And I say that as someone who has been pro-tablet for a decade and only grudgingly gave Apple's "big iPod" approach a chance.

[4] At best, the typing-heavy market is saying "I wonder how long it will take someone to make an iPad keyboard case that slick."

[5] Metro is a unique, interesting and a refreshing change from Apple's icon grid. And I've heard far more praise for it from the design folks that get written off as Apple fanboys, than I have from the Windows crowd who generally echoed Microsoft's 'consumption' FUD.

Re: Microsoft Introduces New "Surface" Tablet

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http://www.microsoft.com/global/surface/en/us/renderingasset... WinRT (ARM) and a Intel version. Multitouch keyboard. Full HD on the Intel tablet on 10.6 inch screen (nearly the same density as the MBP Retina) Also, funny the comments here, the iPad edges are tapered, but the RT version is 9.3mm and Apple says the iPad is 9.4mm deep. Why oh why are they pushing Silverlight to show the video?

WinRT (ARM) and a Intel version The dual CPU thing still worries me. I think it's going to cause a ton confusion for consumers when Windows 8 comes out. These two tablets look the same, they're named the same, they use the same accessories. One will cost more than the other. They look like a 13" MacBook Air vs 13" MacBook Pro. But it won't be, because they run completely different OSes. The ARM one won't run your old…

Microsoft said on their technet blog that their ARM devices will be clearly labeled and marketed as not being able to run traditional Windows software.

Re: Microsoft Introduces New "Surface" Tablet

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The Win8Pro version has about the same 42 W-h battery size as in the new iPad. I doubt it can manage the same battery life, especially if it has to have vents.

On the flip side, as it runs full Windows, it's also your laptop. For reference, I can get ~6hrs out of my 13" MBA, which packs a 50Wh battery. Going to guess the Surface Pro is running a lower-clocked part (as the 11" does, presumably for heat reasons), so with good power-management software at least 6-7hrs doing tablet-y things is definitely plausible. Obviously, opening Visual Studio or Photoshop will constrain th…

Most consumers don't use Photoshop or Visual Studio.

What do MOST consumers need full Windows for these days?

Office? Most consumers could get by on iWork.

I guess if they want to use their favorite virus scanner or anti-malware program they would now be able to do that.

Windows dominates the market for consumer PCs because it's cheap and because of games. These same games will not work well on tablets. iOS already has enough games, Windows is at a severe disadvantage in terms of touch friendly games.

Re: Microsoft Introduces New "Surface" Tablet

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post #615

I don't understand the "OMG MICROSOFT MADE A TABLET IT IS CLEARLY COPYING THE IPAD" reaction Microsoft's getting here. They're absolutely ahead of the curve with the blending of mobile and desktop operating systems, something which I am extremely happy they are doing, and this is absolutely the logical design choices someone in that position would make. Yes, it's very similar to the iPad in many ways. But other than…

It's pretty obvious where that reaction is coming from. As recently as last year Microsoft was singing the praises of being able to kinda-sorta-use desktop software on a tablet and pushing the notion that things without desktop operating systems were 'consumption' devices, at best. So, yes, their sudden reversal on what people want in a tablet is worth noting and easily justifies the same kind of quips and barbs that…

I disagree that Surface solves a non-existent problem. I have read a ton of positive reactions to Surface over the past day. Some people really DO want a tablet that can also be a laptop. I can't do any 'serious' work on an iPad. If Surface can be my iPad plus my laptop, that's a game-changer for me.

Re: Microsoft Introduces New "Surface" Tablet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

can you show us some examples of your work that put this site to shame?

That is an unfair question: one individual cannot be expected to produce sites which compete with an entire international company's output. It would be a lot more reasonable to ask him to show competitors within a similar industry who have produced a better launch site.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/

Re: Microsoft Introduces New "Surface" Tablet

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post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not call the Galaxy SIII an awful product. According to many reviews it is the best smartphone available on the market.

According to yet more reports the HTC One X actually holds this title. In part, due to a level in industrial design that samsung has yet to achieve. Disclosure : I own a One X. I waited for the SIII announcement but the minute I saw the SIII i ordered my One X.

how are the multitasking issues? I was thinking of getting a One X, but decided to get an HSPA Galaxy Nexus instead. This was for price reasons as well as hearing about strange behavior from One X when multitasking
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