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Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by lupusreal »

bArray wrote: post #8
seydor wrote: post #3

i bet he will ban plastic straws to compensate

Exactly. We're all expected to suffer the inconvenience of soggy straws to offset this guys near daily commute. And it's not just this. Near all elites have unsustainable lifestyles that we are expected to offset by changing our daily habits.

There are so few lords, it doesn't make sense for them to change their livestyles. But we peasants are numerous, so we are the ones who must suffer austerity and reduce our standard of living. That's why it's good for these rich people to fly around in private jets to attend conferences about the virtue of making common folks eat bugs and walk everywhere.

Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by shiroiushi »

Freak_NL wrote: post #4
wkat4242 wrote: post #2

https://www.starbucks.com/responsibility/planet/ Yeah right....

This reminded me of Pascal Husting, a director of Greenpeace (!) who commuted from Luxembourg to Amsterdam by flying up and down several times a month. It completely soured my opinion of Greenpeace, and I've avoided donating ever since. I just looked up the aftermath, and it turns he stopped flying his commute in 2014, and switched to the train in response to the criticism. It's interesting that a poorly judged actio…

The guy's clueless, but to be fair to him, I just looked up the travel time between Luxembourg and Amsterdam by train and it's around 7.5 hours, so I can see why he wouldn't want to travel that way when a plane is much faster. Even traveling that distance by car is faster! (~4.5h) Honestly, that kind of travel time by train is just shameful.

Meanwhile, just over the border, traveling between various mid-size German cities by ICE train is very quick, and roughly 2x as fast as driving. Even between Brussels and Amsterdam is reasonably quick (~2h on Eurostar), so I guess the problem is just Luxembourg?

If that guy needed to go to work in Amsterdam, the proper solution would have been to move.

Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by dauertewigkeit »

One wonders. If they did a search of the Seattle metropolitan area, how many candidates would they find that would have the chops to do, just as good, if not a better job than this one CEO?

I understand why you cannot just pick a random person to be a CEO. But in theory, there are probably many people who have the leadership skills and industry insight to be really good CEOs of Starbucks, and probably for a much cheaper compensation package. It's just the bureaucracy of having to somehow justify the selection of a CEO to the board, forces the company to select from a tiny pool of CEOs many of them with a checkered record. One of the many ridiculous things that we do as a society.

Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by pjc50 »

stavros wrote: post #7
Freak_NL wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminded me of Pascal Husting, a director of Greenpeace (!) who commuted from Luxembourg to Amsterdam by flying up and down several times a month. It completely soured my opinion of Greenpeace, and I've avoided donating ever since. I just looked up the aftermath, and it turns he stopped flying his commute in 2014, and switched to the train in response to the criticism. It's interesting that a poorly judged actio…

What soured my opinion of Greenpeace is how they kept us burning fossil fuels for decades longer than we should have been, with their anti-nuclear propaganda. I don't know if that was paid for by fossil fuel companies, but it sure really suited them. Greenpeace did untold damage to the climate by campaigning against nuclear (and, implicitly, for fossil fuels, as there weren't other economically competitive eco-friend…

Greenpeace anti-nuclear campaigning came from the "peace" in their name: the inextricable link of nuclear energy with nuclear weapons. Their campaign against nuclear weapons testing was met with considerable violence and carried out at significant personal risk, culminating in the French government carrying out a terrorist attack in New Zealand resulting in the death of a Greenpeace member. You cannot accuse them of being paid actors in that era. https://www.greenpeace.org/aotearoa/about/our-history/bombin...

There was also a lot of campaigning against the practice of dumping nuclear waste at sea. I think we're long enough past Chernobyl to have forgotten the impact of that on Europe, but perhaps if a stray shell hits the Zaporizhzhia or Kursk nuclear reactor we'll be reminded of that again.

Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by maxehmookau »

scarab92 wrote: post #10
bArray wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. We're all expected to suffer the inconvenience of soggy straws to offset this guys near daily commute. And it's not just this. Near all elites have unsustainable lifestyles that we are expected to offset by changing our daily habits.

Private jets should be required to burn biofuels or purchase carbon offsets. If you can afford a private jet, you can easily afford to make it carbon neutral.

Taxes on jet fuel for private usage should be 3x higher too.

It's not real money to these folks; I doubt he'd even notice.

Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by pjc50 »

jajko wrote: post #5
Freak_NL wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminded me of Pascal Husting, a director of Greenpeace (!) who commuted from Luxembourg to Amsterdam by flying up and down several times a month. It completely soured my opinion of Greenpeace, and I've avoided donating ever since. I just looked up the aftermath, and it turns he stopped flying his commute in 2014, and switched to the train in response to the criticism. It's interesting that a poorly judged actio…

Thats the thing with reputation - hard to gradually win, trivial to lose for good if you do something completely against the values you try to project as your core ones. Greenpeace specifically has little sympathies - they often fulfill the definition of eco-terrorists. Its like those idiots spraying beautiful old masters paintings worth tens of millions to 'send strong ecological message so people wake up'. Well, ne…

While I'm defending Greenpeace, I'm convinced that Extinction Rebellion are an 'op' run by UK security services because of how counterproductive they are.

Especially after the revelations of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lambert_(undercover_police...

Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by notimetorelax »

dauertewigkeit wrote: post #13

One wonders. If they did a search of the Seattle metropolitan area, how many candidates would they find that would have the chops to do, just as good, if not a better job than this one CEO? I understand why you cannot just pick a random person to be a CEO. But in theory, there are probably many people who have the leadership skills and industry insight to be really good CEOs of Starbucks, and probably for a much chea…

Don’t discount the opportunity cost. Starbucks might have lost many times more if they delayed the CEO change. The new guy saved Chipotle so he’s a very good bet.
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