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Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by autoexec »

1oooqooq wrote: post #127
dao- wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I work at Mozilla as an engineer for Firefox, and I'm generally happy to see this. I currently work on tab groups, and I'm curious to see what their implementation will look like or whether they'll try to fast-track our work-in-progress once that's somewhat viable. For the sidebar and vertical tabs, they seem to have implemented their own thing rather than using what our team has been working on. At a first g…

Firefox defaults lately are awful and out of touch... gestures for reload/back/forward? really? several decades and still not incorporating uBlockOrigin as a native feature? really? a convoluted only-4-containers shenanigans that not even the author understand instead of simply isolating private tabs per window like everyone asked over the years? using on android? too bad now you don't have half the settings availabl…

They've automatically added spying by default now too. Mozilla is now an ad-tech company. Don't expect defaults to get any better.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by cqqxo4zV46cp »

butz wrote: post #213
discardedrefuse wrote: post #200

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Mozilla maintains a Firefox extension that does split view in the browser. Its called Side View. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/side-view/

"This add-on is not actively monitored for security by Mozilla. Make sure you trust it before installing." What?

I’m sure that you can piece together how this could happen.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by cxr »

dartos wrote: post #207
immibis wrote: post #179

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Remember what happened to Thunderbird, though. Mozilla dropped it, and it got better. There are good reasons to think that Mozilla - the corporate entity - is cancer.

Isn’t thunderbird still part of Mozilla? It says it still is on their site.

Nominally yes, and insofar as the Mozilla Foundation is "Mozilla". Even then, the relationship is ceremonial.

And Mozilla Corp is something different altogether.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by autoexec »

Hard_Space wrote: post #54

Does anyone know if Zen identifies itself as 'Firefox' at program-level when running on Windows? This is the biggest mistake that FF forks and offshoots make, since it makes it impossible to run Firefox and the derivative work at the same time.

Shouldn't be a problem if you use the portable version of one (or even both if that's an option).

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by Croftengea »

dao- wrote: post #57
widdershins wrote: post #55

Not many straightforwardly positive comments here so far, so I will write one. I'm a Firefox user but I've recently been tempted by Arc primarily because of its 'workspaces' feature and its minimal UI that gets out the way. I used Arc for several weeks and really got a taste for these features, so I'm really happy to see them come to a Gecko-based browser. Thank you, and keep it up! My advice would be: don't advertis…

Agreed. I work at Mozilla as an engineer for Firefox, and I'm generally happy to see this. I currently work on tab groups, and I'm curious to see what their implementation will look like or whether they'll try to fast-track our work-in-progress once that's somewhat viable. For the sidebar and vertical tabs, they seem to have implemented their own thing rather than using what our team has been working on. At a first g…

Native vertical tabs in vanilla FF? Whoohoo! Imho, the killer feature is automatic group assignment based on URL patters. Will the vanilla implementation support it?

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by codethief »

BodyCulture wrote: post #103
dao- wrote: post #57

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Agreed. I work at Mozilla as an engineer for Firefox, and I'm generally happy to see this. I currently work on tab groups, and I'm curious to see what their implementation will look like or whether they'll try to fast-track our work-in-progress once that's somewhat viable. For the sidebar and vertical tabs, they seem to have implemented their own thing rather than using what our team has been working on. At a first g…

Firefox is the only browser that freezes Ubuntu after some extensive internet use, especially with video watching. Since many years and still today.

Does it freeze completely (forcing you to resort to kill -9) or is it just slow?

In any case, I've been been a Ubuntu user since ~2010 (and a Firefox user since its inception). I remember there being a time when Firefox was slower than Chrome and freezing occasionally but that was a looong time ago and I haven't had any issues with performance or freezes/crashes ever since.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by autoexec »

mrweasel wrote: post #84

Someone pointed out to me that you can set eBay as the default search engine. That seems like a weird option. There can't be many that primarily uses their browser to access eBay, though I wouldn't rule out that people with this preference exists.

I wish you could just set the default search engine to "none". I just disable it eventually anyway, but it still leaves a bunch of garbage behind, like having "Search for " in the context menu.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by fabrice_d »

slightwinder wrote: post #177
1oooqooq wrote: post #127

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Firefox defaults lately are awful and out of touch... gestures for reload/back/forward? really? several decades and still not incorporating uBlockOrigin as a native feature? really? a convoluted only-4-containers shenanigans that not even the author understand instead of simply isolating private tabs per window like everyone asked over the years? using on android? too bad now you don't have half the settings availabl…

> several decades and still not incorporating uBlockOrigin as a native feature? really? Might be better that way. AdBlockers are fast-moving, with a dedicated, diligent working community. Outside the browser, they probably can work better.

Not just that, but why would Mozilla pick the winner here? Everyone complains about the side effects of default search engines, let's not do it again with ad-blockers!

And anyway, their Google contract certainly prevents them from doing shipping ad-blocking by default.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by [deleted] »

bearjaws wrote: post #250
bogwog wrote: post #239

I hope a sustainable Firefox fork emerges soon because it seems Google's illegal default search deals (aka the only thing keeping Mozilla afloat) are coming to an end. That's a great thing in general, but it would really suck if FF died and we all got stuck with Chrome derivatives. Personally, I wouldn't mind paying for my web browser if it's good. I wouldn't pay for Mozilla's FF, but I would pay for a fork of it by…

Mozilla could keep building FF without Google, but it would require that 90% of the C suite get laid off and dedicated focus from the company...

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Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by csouzaf »

BodyCulture wrote: post #103
dao- wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I work at Mozilla as an engineer for Firefox, and I'm generally happy to see this. I currently work on tab groups, and I'm curious to see what their implementation will look like or whether they'll try to fast-track our work-in-progress once that's somewhat viable. For the sidebar and vertical tabs, they seem to have implemented their own thing rather than using what our team has been working on. At a first g…

Firefox is the only browser that freezes Ubuntu after some extensive internet use, especially with video watching. Since many years and still today.

I'm not sure how this contributes to the thread. This isn't a technical support forum, so it might not be the best place to discuss specific browser issues.

I've been using Firefox on Ubuntu since 18.04 was first released (about 6 years ago), and while I've encountered some issues, I haven't experienced the problem you're describing.

Of course, browser performance can be affected by many factors in your system. If you're seeking help, you might have better luck in a dedicated support forum or the official Firefox support channels.

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