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Re: The YouTube like button glows when you say "smash that like button" [video]

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Post by jncfhnb »

slg wrote: post #87
johnfn wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think you would have to be naive to think the capability to do this type of analysis on the transcribed text was designed for only this feature and would never be used for anything else. Why would you have to be naive to believe this? The subtitles, with timings, are available on the client-side already. You seem to allude that doing this work would require some sort of deep analysis work. I think it's really mor…

It isn’t about this requiring “deep analysis work”. It is the difference between some analysis and no analysis. That increase from 0 to 1 is always the biggest hurdle to clear when it comes to any corporate behavior like this. This feature is like walking into your kitchen one day to find a dead cockroach. I’m saying that is an indication of a cockroach problem while you’re effectively responding with “it’s fine, the…

0 to 1? Pfft.

Try 1 to 2.

Re: The YouTube like button glows when you say "smash that like button" [video]

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Post by FrequentLurker »

slg wrote: post #109
johnfn wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a previous post, you said this: > This feature suggests Google understands what was said. Running .includes() on the client does not imply that Google has any "understanding" of what was said. It only implies that they ran .includes() on the client. includes() does not "understand" anything. The thing I really don't understand is this: the fact that Google has closed captions at all implies they do an enormous mor…

>Running .includes() on the client does not imply that Google has any "understanding" of what was said. It only implies that they ran .includes() on the client. includes() does not "understand" anything. Do you want to have a good faith conversation about this? Because going back to debating the meaning of "understanding" after I already said this was misleading is not a good way to have a conversation. >The thing I…

Google also censors all swear words in the auto transcriptions so is it content agnostic anymore?

Re: The YouTube like button glows when you say "smash that like button" [video]

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Post by slg »

FrequentLurker wrote: post #112
slg wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Running .includes() on the client does not imply that Google has any "understanding" of what was said. It only implies that they ran .includes() on the client. includes() does not "understand" anything. Do you want to have a good faith conversation about this? Because going back to debating the meaning of "understanding" after I already said this was misleading is not a good way to have a conversation. >The thing I…

Google also censors all swear words in the auto transcriptions so is it content agnostic anymore?

That depends on how the transcription software is written. Are swear words filtered out or are they just never in the system's vocabulary in the first place? I assumed the latter, but fair enough point. It is possible my categorization needs more thought.

Regardless, there is in my opinion a clear distinction in sophistication between a filter and something that triggers a timed action. And that was really what my original comment was about, this feature's elevated sophistication is a conscious reminder of Google's capabilities. Normally that is out of sight and out of mind which is probably better for Google.

Re: The YouTube like button glows when you say "smash that like button" [video]

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Post by hi-v-rocknroll »

pb7 wrote: post #62
slg wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you quoted this snippet to ask this question when I addressed it literally in the next sentence of my original comment, but I guess I need to reiterate it. Automatic transcripts/ closed captioning suggest Google heard what was said. This feature suggests Google understands what was said. Think of it like reading a foreign language that uses the same alphabet. You can give me some French text and I ca…

Does it understand it or does it have a regex for "smash that subscribe button"?

It doesn't work, at least not on my channel or on an unlisted video. I tried "Press the 'Subscribe' button", "Smash the 'Subscribe' button", and "Smash the 'Like' button."

Re: The YouTube like button glows when you say "smash that like button" [video]

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Post by aeternum »

everforward wrote: post #33
gruez wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It calls attention to the fact that Youtube isn't just serving me videos neutrally, it knows what is being said in those videos at the exact moment it is said. It highlights how much Google analyses the content of its videos in a way that more neutral features like automatic transcripts don't and in turn how much that can teach Google about me based on the videos I watch. How else do you think the "up next" and "re…

Up Next and recommended videos don't require understanding the content of the videos. They could, as an example, find other users that watch similar videos and pick a video you haven't seen out of the things the other users have watched. It wouldn't surprise me if they use transcripts, but neither feature strictly requires it. I think the real risk here is users extrapolating from "YouTube can automatically respond t…

They need it anyway to enforce copyright. Simple content hashing tricks don't work because people upload slightly cropped or mirrored copyrighted content.

Understanding the content is ultimately the only way to properly enforce and discriminate IP theft vs. fair use at scale. And the Senate wants that feature as the IP lobby is strong.

Re: The YouTube like button glows when you say "smash that like button" [video]

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Post by pndy »

zamadatix wrote: post #91
slg wrote: post #18

I know this is just a fun little easter egg, but features like this seems a little risky to me. It calls attention to the fact that Youtube isn't just serving me videos neutrally, it knows what is being said in those videos at the exact moment it is said. It highlights how much Google analyses the content of its videos in a way that more neutral features like automatic transcripts don't and in turn how much that can…

Apart from whether or not it's really something new to users, it'd be interesting how many are actually concerned with the concept Google/YouTube has analyzed the content of videos it serves vs interested in what things that means are done (automatic video sections, better find in video, automatic summaries, whatever it is someone might want). The biggest issues tend to be when "Big Brother" style companies perform t…

> the Microsoft AI screenshotting backlash

I think I've missed this - what happen?

Re: The YouTube like button glows when you say "smash that like button" [video]

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Post by Lockal »

boneitis wrote: post #13

I can't be the only one who finds this and the subscribe animations distracting, to put it politely. I'm sure many here would love to make use of some uBlock Origin rulesets to disable them?

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Re: The YouTube like button glows when you say "smash that like button" [video]

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Post by Lockal »

kerkeslager wrote: post #48

Ugh. If they can detect when people say that in videos, I'd prefer that they used it to penalize the video in the algorithm, rather than leaning into this irritating gaming of the system. I don't blame creators for doing this: creators have to say this to compete (this is an example of Moloch[1]). The point isn't to hurt creators who do this, it's to remove the incentive so that creators no longer have to do this. So…

There is no "If they can". Both YouTube and TikTok are actively penalizing (effectively shadowbanning) videos after detecting words like rape/murder/suicide and content related to war crimes[1]. In some cases the exploiter side are governments, not advertisers. Content creators censor these words and it helps to some extent.

[1] https://www.nrk.no/ostfold/xl/tiktok-doesn_t-show-the-war-in...

Re: The YouTube like button glows when you say "smash that like button" [video]

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Post by arder »

vijucat wrote: post #11

What about if I say, "Please don't smash that like button" or "Smash that like button if you're an idiot"? Just wondering if it is based on transcript-grepping or does it even consider sentence semantics? (I know, overkill. Please don't implement that, YT engineers. You've heard of "boiling the ocean to make a cup of tea", right?)

If I were youtube I'd be concerned about the opposite. The whole point of youtube is you have all these different creators doing different things in different ways and youtube has stepped and said "No, don't do it your way, say our exact phrase and we'll help you". The downstream impact of that is Youtube's thumb on the scale is going to drive everyone to one particularly unconvincing phrase.
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