Seems like the features they promote on the marketing page are ones that Vivaldi has had for quite some time. I'll probably give it a try but when I gave up on Firefox, one of the main reasons was that many of the sites I visit aren't tested on Firefox due to the low market share and are broken in subtle ways.
Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
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Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#12Seems like the features they promote on the marketing page are ones that Vivaldi has had for quite some time. I'll probably give it a try but when I gave up on Firefox, one of the main reasons was that many of the sites I visit aren't tested on Firefox due to the low market share and are broken in subtle ways.
Like what? Aside from google and Apple being actively hostile to Firefox I rarely have issues
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#13Looks like it supports Firefox extensions such as uBlock Origin as well. Surprised the website didn't mention it. Wonder if this still applies: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...
I mean, it's a firefox-based browser. Is there any reason why it wouldn't support firefox extensions?
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#14Seems like the features they promote on the marketing page are ones that Vivaldi has had for quite some time. I'll probably give it a try but when I gave up on Firefox, one of the main reasons was that many of the sites I visit aren't tested on Firefox due to the low market share and are broken in subtle ways.
Like what? Aside from google and Apple being actively hostile to Firefox I rarely have issues
100% and if I have issues it's an extension (like ublock or privacy badger)
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#15Vertical tabs and privacy focused implementation gives me a good combination between the Arc browsing experience and the privacy protections that Mullvad browser (or private mode Firefox) deliver.
Yeah I'm keen to try Zen to see if they've nailed the tab/workspace UX in the way that Arc has. I don't like Arc's decline into slow AI features and growth hacks, but some of the core functionality is really nice.
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#16Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#17Split tab is cool.
Couldn't import data from firefox.
Quite slow to launch.
Profiles are buggy, the name gets lost and it keeps launching the welcome wizard.
looking forward to seeing this mature
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#18I use Sway (an i3 clone for Wayland), so these "split views" and "workspaces" are not appealing to me. Zen makes serious claims about performance and sandboxing, but do not forwardly present writings on how they do these things, leaving us with the impression there are some tweaks here and there but not much more.
I'm a Sway user as well but I still find value in features like workspaces, tabs, and split views in certain apps even though they are all also features in Sway. Sometimes a particular split (or any of those other things) can itself be a context I want to switch to in part of my current view. Rather than individually orchestrate that from wherever the components are into my current view it can be nice to define that relation more directly via something like this.
Not saying such features in apps must also be appealing to you as well or anything equally silly, just whether or not they are appealing is more hinged on that base question of whether you like the idea of nested organizational structures than whether or not your window manager has a similar tiling feature.
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#19Firefox with some extras might he nice, but the structure of that web page raises the question:
Who is the target audience? That website has so many oversimplified marketing claims that are about security and customization. It seems wholly undecided if the target audience is people who fall for buzz words or someone actually interested in quantitative improvements over Firefox.
And yet the comparison is just checkboxes and not even including base Firefox. How about bar graphs for comparison and some actual pictures of the advertised customization, layout and workspaces?
To me this still feels a little shady, even though the features seem nice.
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#20macOS says "“Zen Browser.app” is damaged and can’t be opened. You should move it to the Bin." :(
Probably isn't notarized. Right-click the app and open, or use the terminal: xattr -d com.apple.quarantine /path/to/app edit: turns out they are describing this process here from a link on the macos download page: https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/issues/53
The link is titled "Download Zen for macOS" which seems superfluous when the DMG starts downloading immediately, perhaps it needs a better title.
Also while I understand some people have moral objections to the 100 dollar/euro registration fee, clearly a lot more than that has been spent in time to get the application to this stage, almost all apps for macOS distributing like this are notarized now, and with such a slick marketing page it just feels weird to then not spend a relatively small amount of money to make this immediately far more accessible. The instructions aren't hard to follow, but still make trying it out 10-100x harder.
Also it's tricky to get donations for something that literally prevents people using the application, no one is going to donate for the registration fee before even trying it, and once they've gotten through the installation process there's no incentive to donate for that anymore.