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MIT leaders describe the experience of not renewing Elsevier contract

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Re: MIT leaders describe the experience of not renewing Elsevier contract

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The article mentioned that MIT saved 80%, and that they are paying $300,000 to purchase on a per article basis. So their previous contract with Elsevier was $1.5M annually. Elsevier's net income is £2.02 billion (2022)(Wikipedia). So the loss to Elsevier from MIT is about 0.04% of net income. Which makes sense: MIT is one of around 2000 universities worldwide. I hope this catches on elsewhere, too.

They'll lose more. Many universities will follow. If it's good enough for MIT...

Re: MIT leaders describe the experience of not renewing Elsevier contract

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Question: What is Elsevier’s value proposition? Could that be replicated by on open source offering?

Editing, typesetting and curating are expensive. Yes, authors can do this and they contribute quite a bit, but it's not enough to support the high quality documents produced by Elsevier.

Yes, tex-savvy authors can do a pretty good job but it's just not the same. That's one reason authors choose to pay the page charges.

Curating is also surprisingly important. Sure, you can often get some author to send you a free PDF from something written 10-20 years ago. But it's also not uncommon for the author to be very unresponsive. Maybe they left academia. Maybe they're lazy. Who knows? But I know that I can't count on getting a free PDF from any author.

Re: MIT leaders describe the experience of not renewing Elsevier contract

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These journals are like parasites onto the scientific enterprise and ultimately tax payers dollars.

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In my view a free market cant include massive asymmetries of power between actors. Individual authors face large costs for not playing the game, and Elsevier and others have used their market power to do everything they can to perpetuate a stupid system of intellectual snobbery that keeps them incumbent. Authors are in small part to blame, but mostly they are the victims.

Re: MIT leaders describe the experience of not renewing Elsevier contract

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post #18

These journals are like parasites onto the scientific enterprise and ultimately tax payers dollars.

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Citation needed that it's a free market. It looks a lot like a market where entrenched players have excessive power.

Re: MIT leaders describe the experience of not renewing Elsevier contract

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The article mentioned that MIT saved 80%, and that they are paying $300,000 to purchase on a per article basis. So their previous contract with Elsevier was $1.5M annually. Elsevier's net income is £2.02 billion (2022)(Wikipedia). So the loss to Elsevier from MIT is about 0.04% of net income. Which makes sense: MIT is one of around 2000 universities worldwide. I hope this catches on elsewhere, too.

Thr article says:

  This move saves MIT approximately $2 million each year

Re: MIT leaders describe the experience of not renewing Elsevier contract

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These journals are like parasites onto the scientific enterprise and ultimately tax payers dollars.

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No, they don't. Not unless you want to sabotage your own career.

There is a limited set of journals for a specific area of science, and you need to publish in the most reputable journal possible. There is only a very limited choice here in most cases.

Re: MIT leaders describe the experience of not renewing Elsevier contract

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are using a service called Article Galaxy, which is just a proxy that pays for per-article access when individual users request it. MIT Libraries get the bill from Article Galaxy. The article states that MIT pays $300,000 annually for individual request fees, far less than the prior contract amount.

>They are using a service called Article Galaxy, which is just a proxy that pays for per-article access when individual users request it. MIT Libraries get the bill from Article Galaxy. I'm surprised services like these haven't been shut down yet. IANAL, but what they're doing (ie. acting as a proxy between end-users and the publishers) seems similar to what Aereo was doing[1], which the supreme court ruled was copyr…

Why would Article Galaxy be shut down? It makes it easier for Elsevier's articles to generate revenue:

https://www.researchsolutions.com/

Re: MIT leaders describe the experience of not renewing Elsevier contract

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These journals are like parasites onto the scientific enterprise and ultimately tax payers dollars.

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Most authors are rated based on the journals they publish in, and the most prestigious journals are typically from predatory publishers (Elsevier, Nature etc., yes I know that predatory journal is typically used in other context).

Re: MIT leaders describe the experience of not renewing Elsevier contract

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are using a service called Article Galaxy, which is just a proxy that pays for per-article access when individual users request it. MIT Libraries get the bill from Article Galaxy. The article states that MIT pays $300,000 annually for individual request fees, far less than the prior contract amount.

>They are using a service called Article Galaxy, which is just a proxy that pays for per-article access when individual users request it. MIT Libraries get the bill from Article Galaxy. I'm surprised services like these haven't been shut down yet. IANAL, but what they're doing (ie. acting as a proxy between end-users and the publishers) seems similar to what Aereo was doing[1], which the supreme court ruled was copyr…

Article Galaxy contracts with publishers to allow them to resell papers[1], they aren't depending on a shaky interpretation of copyright law to resell digital goods. Which makes it even easier for the big publishers to cut them off, or raise their rates if enough universities try to switch to pay-per-article.

[1]https://www.researchsolutions.com/about/publishers

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