Every photo is a lie. https://fstoppers.com/documentary/every-photograph-youve-eve...
The AI photo editing era is here, and it's every person for themselves
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Okay, but shouldn't you be able to edit the background of a photo that has a person with a bikini in it? Why couldn't they just disallow you to edit the actual human body or the clothing?
Law of unintended consequences. Better to be safe than have to make sure your tool can't be inadvertently used as a blackmail generator. Consider the example given. A person in a bikini at the beach is a normal image that few find objectionable. Let's make it objectionable by only modifying the background. We modify the bikini picture's background to make the person appear in a strip club on the stage. Or we make the…
"Potentially useful for blackmail" applies to the whole damn field. A revealing outfit is not needed to edit an ex in to last night's photos.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Okay, but shouldn't you be able to edit the background of a photo that has a person with a bikini in it? Why couldn't they just disallow you to edit the actual human body or the clothing?
Law of unintended consequences. Better to be safe than have to make sure your tool can't be inadvertently used as a blackmail generator. Consider the example given. A person in a bikini at the beach is a normal image that few find objectionable. Let's make it objectionable by only modifying the background. We modify the bikini picture's background to make the person appear in a strip club on the stage. Or we make the…
Yes. It may happen in this particular instance to conform to a right-wing religious stereotype, but it's actually arriving there via left-wing Silicon Valley liberalism meeting fear of bad press and "cancelling" from other more-or-less liberal news outlets.
Another instance of some people's observations that ideology sometimes seems to form a circle moreso than a line. Which is not entirely true, but isn't entirely untrue either.
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#25Related: Procreate's anti-AI pledge attracts praise from digital creatives https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41295957
Procreate is what more software should aspire to. It's industry defining tech run by people who care deeply about their users, and it costs $13 one time. No predatory bullshit, no multi-tier licensing structure, no subscription. Just some easy to use software that respects its users.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
When we jumped too machine guns we had WWI and people weren’t prepared either. That’s how technology usually works.
WWI was one of the worst things that ever happened in all of history, it destroyed many millions of lives and scarred an entire generation of people across the entire world and led pretty directly to WWII and the Holocaust. I'm not sure "that's how technology usually works" is a good argument here.
Ironically it also led to Turing and modern computation. Some of the earliest computers were built to decode enigma and help develop the atom bomb as far as I know.
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#27I want photos to be a record of my perception. I want them to match what I see in front of me as closely as possible. I do not care if data is mangled to make this happen — in fact, the reason I love my iPhone's camera so much is because it mangles the raw sensor data so much. Apple's computational photography pipeline is state-of-the-art, and it is designed to make photos look as close to my perception as possible.…
It’s funny, I’ve been photographing since my early youth (dodged a bullet and never went for the career path though), and I feel the complete opposite.
In my opinion, the picture shows what I want it to show. You can never capture reality anyway: a photograph is never a single point in time, but rather a time frame during which the sensor is exposed to light, a short video, all frames overlaid in a single still shot, if you will. This can be so short that the image appears to be what your eyes see, but it is by definition always an approximation. What’s more, an approximation with parameters under the control of the photographer.
Thus I, as the artist, get to decide what I want the image to be. If that means false color, a slow shutter speed with motion blur, or long exposure to light up a scene in the dark—or yes, AI edits—that’s my artistic freedom.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a great topic for late night dorm bull sessions but it’s not what we’re talking about here. People know that photographers can be selective about what and how they cover things, but there’s been an understanding that photos are recording something real in a way which is no longer true at all. Yes, people played dark room and photoshop tricks but those were labor intensive and hard to make pass a detailed exami…
When we jumped too machine guns we had WWI and people weren’t prepared either. That’s how technology usually works.
Yes, but you’re restating why I specified archery as the starting point: by WWI people had had multiple centuries to get used to firearms improving rapidly and changing ranged warfare from something requiring skilled warriors to something you could throw gobs of recently-recruited farm boys at. AI fakery has progressed at a much faster rate.
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#29Hopefully we'll get some rise in use of image provenance:
> The Coalition for Content Provenance and Authenticity (C2PA) addresses the prevalence of misleading information online through the development of technical standards for certifying the source and history (or provenance) of media content. C2PA is a Joint Development Foundation project, formed through an alliance between Adobe, Arm, Intel, Microsoft and Truepic.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Authenticity_Initiativ...
* 2022 Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30475137
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#30I want photos to be a record of my perception. I want them to match what I see in front of me as closely as possible. I do not care if data is mangled to make this happen — in fact, the reason I love my iPhone's camera so much is because it mangles the raw sensor data so much. Apple's computational photography pipeline is state-of-the-art, and it is designed to make photos look as close to my perception as possible.…
It’s funny, I’ve been photographing since my early youth (dodged a bullet and never went for the career path though), and I feel the complete opposite. In my opinion, the picture shows what I want it to show. You can never capture reality anyway: a photograph is never a single point in time, but rather a time frame during which the sensor is exposed to light, a short video, all frames overlaid in a single still shot,…
I can totally see where you are coming from — and I think I agree more in the context of purposefully artistic photography. however, for me personally most photography is not artistic, but documentary. totally support using all sorts of crazy techniques and manipulations for artistic expression tho!