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Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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I went to high school when cell phones were common and most students had them. But, at least at my school, if you had one out during class it was instantly confiscated and returned by the front office after school. I assumed this was the norm, so articles about "cell phone bans" as a new policy are surprising to me. I assumed it always was this way. When did schools start allowing cell phone use during class? Do teac…

Same policy here. Seemed like it worked just fine. If you really needed to use it, you had time between periods and during lunch.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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> But watches provide some pretty useful health and emergency benefits For kids? How ever did anyone survive before 1990.

> How ever did anyone survive before I really, really hate this mindless, lazy line of argument in general. It gets tossed out with absolutely everything, from the internet to vaccines to modern farming. The simple answer in many cases to "how did anyone survive before X" is "well, often they didn't". Life expectancies were in fact lower in the past. More people died, or were maimed, with no hope of treatment. Or som…

To look at life expectancy, you need to normalize for the fact that numerous things have shifted dramatically in society. For instance smoking rates have completely plummeted relative to the past, to say nothing of the fact that up until the 90s you could generally smoke everywhere, even on airplanes! Then there have also been major changes in typical occupations, reductions in youth driving, and so on.

Given that life expectancy increases have been coming at a snail's pace, and on occasion reversing, I suspect if one normalized for these sort of non-medical shifts in society, we'd see that life expectancy is most likely decreasing, likely due to things like widespread obesity, mental illness, and other ailments which modern gadgets are significantly contributing to.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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Here in the Netherlands many (middle) schools have banned them by now, just in time for my son to enter school. Looking forward to him having nice conversations with his schoolmates. I hope his generation is not like some of the students we got at our company who join the lunches but picked seats at the very edge of the table and had their eyes on their screen the whole time.

Yes, every youngster has some fears communicating with people experienced in their proffssion of choice, but it is up to the experience people to engage with them and up to them to do the same. Locking themselves out of conversations during lunch is not a habit that builds good and valuable relations with colleagues. It really feels like these youngsters are addicted, or at least they are not in the habit of joining conversations, lacking the skill as everyone does at the start, but now also a method available to avoid honing those skills.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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How would you enforce this without invasive surveillance? How could a teacher check that school mode is on without gaining control of the device? How could they ensure that the mode isn't turned off when they aren't looking?

This would require deep OS-level features from Apple/Google/etc. See my reply to a sibling comment for spitballing ideas, but I don’t think it’s necessary for this to be invasive. Another approach would be beacon-based, where the devices would operate with limited capability if in range of an actively broadcasting cryptographically secure “At School” beacon. I think there are plenty of ways to do this without surveil…

> This would require deep OS-level features from Apple/Google/etc. See my reply to a sibling comment for spitballing ideas, but I don’t think it’s necessary for this to be invasive.

This is by definition invasive; having the device maker or OS maker integrate it makes it more invasive, not less.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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Having used a Palm Pilot to genuine benefit in highschool in the 90s, and having finally just gotten a smart watch in part specifically to reduce smartphone usage, I have mixed feelings about broad restrictions. Networked smart phones absolutely have major addictive and disruptive effects, and are hard to police in practice. But watches provide some pretty useful health and emergency benefits, while IME have lived up…

I can sort of squint and see the logic in your argument but I'm not convinced that allowing smart devices in schools and especially during class hours has enough good to consider seriously.

I don't let my kids use a smart phone for entertainment. They use it sometimes for chatGPT and Google translate especially when they study but not beyond that and I intend to keep it that way till they're old enough (17 or so).

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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I went to high school when cell phones were common and most students had them. But, at least at my school, if you had one out during class it was instantly confiscated and returned by the front office after school. I assumed this was the norm, so articles about "cell phone bans" as a new policy are surprising to me. I assumed it always was this way. When did schools start allowing cell phone use during class? Do teac…

Same policy here. Seemed like it worked just fine. If you really needed to use it, you had time between periods and during lunch.

Using a phone during class was indeed never an option, but, can I ask you since you went to school with smartphones (I am much older): Is your experience that most students pull their phone out as soon as they exit the classrooms? Do they spend most of their breaks on their screens? If so do you have the feeling you have poorer conversational skills because of this and would you not rather have just enjoyed school engaging with the people around you?

I see youngsters now that have hundreds of messages a day, on many platforms, and consequently hours of screen time a day. Does it not feel like this time would be better spends in face to face engagements?

I read about girls that are just tired, they have a good time, everybody gossips on Social Media, they have to maintain "status" there, streaks, presence, likes, it never ends, last thing before sleep, first thing after waking up. It sounds so exhausting.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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I've never heard a good, convincing explanation as to why on earth children need iPads for any reason. Are the schools just not doing their jobs, and letting the iPads "teach" the children rather than a person doing it?

I totally agree. Many assignments are on the ipad, and they come via shitty sass products that regularly crash, taking their homework with them. Additionally for stuff like math you need to show your work, which is impossible for higher level math so the kids have to turn in a paper version along with the ipad assignment.

A number of years ago when my daughter was in the second grade the school expected them to turn in homework via this crappy power point knock-off app that would constantly crash.

I had her eventually just take screen shots and send them to the printer. From there? She would fill in her answers, take a picture of the work, and then drop the image into the power point knockoff.

We got a note from the Principal about how "printing" was not supported.

Whatever.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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I was in Greenwich Public Schools from K-12 and graduated GHS 2016. One kid in my elementary school, Alessandro Espa, brought his first-gen iPod Touch to class in 4th or 5th grade. He was showing off the magic trick apps of the age: the lighter, soda/beer.

The only tech hardware we'd used before then was old iMacs with yellowed vinyl keyboard covers and ancient Windows XP desktops. The Touch was like a magic alien object. Everyone was magnetically attracted to looking at it. It looked like a shiny stainless steel candy bar. Everyone in the room knew immediately they'd be the coolest if they got a phone by high school.

Previous generations got flip phones in high school - around the time they got their learner's permit. The only apps were calling, SMS, or tetris. You could tell how cool a phone was by its color. Forget swappable screen backgrounds; the coolest phone of 2006 had colorful swappable front and back plastic plates.

Sending text messages was powerful before phones arrived. It was basically telekinesis. I missed that entire era.

My generation was not satisfied with just SMS. They needed to be organizing parties through emails. They needed to be trading drugs and candy through Snapchat. They needed to be covertly taking photos of classmates and teachers and emailing them to each other. They needed to be coordinating fractal-style bullying strategies through group chats.

By the time I got to 9th grade, every one of my peers had phones: first gen Androids, Blackberries, Samsung S, their parents' old iPhones. Everything happened at once. Facebook. Twitter. Instagram. Temple Run. Minecraft. Tumblr. Hidemyass. Snapchat. Pinterest.

I missed the boat on most of those, but Tumblr was fun. Some friends from Syosset and I did wacky role-playing games via the anonymous question asking boxes. It was the highlight of the year.

Bart Palosz committed suicide after some kids (whose names GPS has still managed, or been bribed, to conceal) bullied him and smashed his phone. Did they ever see any consequences?

In 11th grade, was told by a teacher that I should be happy when I scratched my laptop because it meant I wouldn't be able to worship it anymore. The teacher was right.

After my 10th grade the school instituted a Chromebook program. I never picked mine up. As far as I know students only ever used them to write Google docs, watch porn, play Miniclip flash games, cyberbully each other, and click through shitty Aplia homeworks. Did any of you HN readers work on or found Aplia? If so, fuck you. Especially you, Paul Romer.

As far as I'm concerned the $250 the Chromebooks cost apiece would have been better spent on $100 of books, $100 of legal pads, and $50 of nice pens and pencils and erasers. But tragically, one just can't hustle your way to the top of GPS IT and earn a six-figure salary in Connecticut by promoting old-fashioned tech that has worked for hundreds of years. No; you need to be selling Silicon Valley dogwater HTML and plastic.

The district has a history of being dependent on technology to appear forward thinking. It aims to appear 2-3 years ahead of the rest of the country, so nobody can say "GPS should have known better!"

The only reason they're so happily agreeing to "ban" phones is that nothing has changed in the last 5-6 years. Students have gotten dumber and more addicted to technology. There's no more new technology to get a raise from introducing except maybe LLMs.

P.S. I would bet $10,000 GPS won't genuinely enforce the ban due to threats from the 20ish students in the system with paranoid billionare helicopter parents.

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