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Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by tecoholic »

seabrookmx wrote: post #126
tecoholic wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s named Dockerfile. However, I suspect if it’s named jinja, the Docker parts won’t be syntax highlighted!?!?

In my experience, yes. But you can't really expect a syntax highlighter to support every combination of template language and file language, so this seems reasonable enough.

I understand the limitation. Especially in the context of having the entire syntax tree parsed and stored like Zed.

I didn’t expect it to highlight 2 languages. I just wanted the Dockefile parts to be highlighted. But Zed stopped any highlighting after the first curly brace, which produces inferior results compared to the regex (assuming) based highlighters out there.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by wyclif »

twp wrote: post #11

If you want true Neovim in VSCode check out https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=asvetliakov.vscode-neovim You get a real, actual VIM (no half-assed bindings), and all the bells and whistles that come with VSCode.

Maybe you can clear up a little confusion on my part. I looked at that link and realised that for some weird reason there are two different versions of the extension by the same developer, and the one I had installed is the other one with 93K installs (not the one you linked above with 400K). What's up with that and why doesn't he just go with the better version of the extension; what are the differences?

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by wyclif »

sph wrote: post #62
jgb1984 wrote: post #41

Most of the negatives mentioned (fragility, bugs, plugins breaking often) are specific to neovim. It's one of the reasons why I am and will always keep using vim instead of neovim. Vim is a much more mature ecosystem, less chasing the newest "plugin du jour", my vimrc is stable, based on a few dozen plugins which are feature complete and rock solid stable.

neovim is what happens when the javascript kids decide to "improve" one of the best editors ever created. The entire Lua ecosystem standing on 50 unstable plugins that provide the entire kitchen sink, yet do not even have a 1.0 version is nightmarish. Follow any guide and either everything breaks, or you get an hodgepodge of automagic popups, stuff that autodownloads, flash messages and useless features that are comp…

>neovim is what happens when the javascript kids decide to "improve" one of the best editors ever created

I don't think that's accurate. Now, if OTOH you said "the Lua kids" then I'd probably agree.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by bendhoefs »

sghiassy wrote: post #65

Honestly, I don’t understand when someone says VSCode is slow because it’s built on Electron. Are they talking about the 3 extra seconds on cold start? Is that really something to scoff at considering all its benefits??

On my laptop there is a noticeable keystroke delay compared to other editors.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by metaltyphoon »

Jenk wrote: post #92
metaltyphoon wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I can’t stand not having A clipboard for the entire OS

The `+` register is the system clipboard in vim already. What you're referring to is remapping the `+` register as the default register (in place of the 'unnamed' register, which is accessed explicitly as the `"` register) for some operations - typically yank and paste.

Yes :)

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by crossroadsguy »

alberth wrote: post #12

I initially loved Zed. But as their focus has shifted to building Collaboration & AI features, and still haven’t yet nailed just being a good/great base editor, its become less useful to me. I still have a lot of hope for Zed. But for the time being, I’ve switched back to my old editor & IDE … and I’ll try Zed again at a much later date.

I think the trick of text editors/note apps has become such that every few years you have to look for something else. Especially the note apps - either it dies, or bloats up, or these days more often goes subscription route ALONG WITH other negatives.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by dima55 »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #176
alberth wrote: post #12

I initially loved Zed. But as their focus has shifted to building Collaboration & AI features, and still haven’t yet nailed just being a good/great base editor, its become less useful to me. I still have a lot of hope for Zed. But for the time being, I’ve switched back to my old editor & IDE … and I’ll try Zed again at a much later date.

I think the trick of text editors/note apps has become such that every few years you have to look for something else. Especially the note apps - either it dies, or bloats up, or these days more often goes subscription route ALONG WITH other negatives.

Or, you know, just use emacs.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by WhereIsTheTruth »

hakunin wrote: post #153

I can't escape Sublime Text's grip. The editor is incredibly smooth and gets out of the way like no other. (Tried a bunch of them). However, lately I started opening Zed on occasion just to ask ChatGPT to make a non-trivial edit on a bunch of code. The way Zed does inline AI assist is unmatched. That's why I can't wait for Sublime to gain this functionality, so that I can calm down and stay with it.

Same, ST is the best

But they really need to speed up the pace of their updates and offer plugin API that interacts with the UI

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by WuxiFingerHold »

> Every now and then I would update a plugin in Neovim and everything would break, and I would have to spend time fixing it instead of getting work done.

This is true, but only if you're not using one of the ready made distributions. I didn't switch to NeoVim until I discovered LazyVim and this amazing guide https://lazyvim-ambitious-devs.phillips.codes/.

That changed everything. I just use LazyVim out of the box, as if it was a Jetbrains IDE. No config hassle, no issues with updates. It just works.

Regarding Zed:

It's a small niche they're trying to fill in a very competitive market. Currently they have the advantages of being the current cool thing. But that's not enough in the long run. If I would knew some killer feature, I'd go ahead and write it here. But that's the thing, I can't think of any. For simple, mainstream usage, VS Code is there. Ulimate IDE features: JetBrains IDEs. Ultimate productivity: LazyVim (or other NeoVim setups), ootb modal editing: Helix.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by WuxiFingerHold »

Voklen wrote: post #109

For me this feels similar to why I use Helix[1]. I used to use VSCodium and had tried to switch to Vim or Neovim multiple times but didn't manage because of all the plugin configuration to be able to program. Then I saw an HN post about Helix, started it up and it just worked and so haven't used anything else since. I find the Helix keybindings easier to learn because you see what text will be affected by any operati…

If you're happy with Helix, do nothing, it you find yourself missing features, try this: https://lazyvim-ambitious-devs.phillips.codes/

I love Helix and used it a bit, but the lack of plugins (and thereby features) made me switch.

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