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Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by Natfan »

ninkendo wrote: post #74
User23 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Emacs[1] has been bloated with collaboration (gnus, etc) and AI features (doctor, lisp in general) for decades! [1] Eight Megabytes and Constantly Swapping

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed -rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970 /usr/ucb/vi -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990 /usr/bin/emacs

I'm not getting the same results for ed?

    $ whereis -b ed | cut -d' ' -f 2 | xargs ls -l
    -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 55504 Feb 22  2020 /usr/bin/ed

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

#112

Post by djasnowski »

wyclif wrote: post #52
riz_ wrote: post #7

I'm wondering if the author ever tried one of the many neovim distributions, which solve a lot of the problem they're describing. All of the plugins and integrations necessary are already set up to create a nice fully featured IDE-style environment. E.g. LazyVim, AstroVim or NvChad

After years of using Vim as a keyboard assassin, then Neovim (with a custom config initially based on kickstart.nvim), about a month ago I started using LazyVim. After test-driving the default config for just a few hours, I found myself nodding my head and saying to myself, "Yes, this is the way." I had seen some of the other "Neovim as IDE" projects but after looking at them carefully, I decided that LazyVim is gene…

Agreed. I use to switch on and off between vim, neovim and VS Code vim-keybindings until I found AstroVim. When I use AstroVim, I can modify what little I need to knowing the base and foundation is taken care of and I can focus on what matters.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

#113

Post by ramenbytes »

sph wrote: post #55
alberth wrote: post #12

I initially loved Zed. But as their focus has shifted to building Collaboration & AI features, and still haven’t yet nailed just being a good/great base editor, its become less useful to me. I still have a lot of hope for Zed. But for the time being, I’ve switched back to my old editor & IDE … and I’ll try Zed again at a much later date.

To paraphrase an old quote, "every new text editor grows until it is bloated with collaboration and AI features." Thank god we still have vim and Emacs.

> Thank god we still have vim and Emacs.

Emacs has had AI since before it was cool again.

M-x doctor

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

#114

Post by desireco42 »

So I read this not expecting to like Zed that much.

I remember initially it was only for Mac, which... is just not good enough for me.

Anyhow, I reinstalled it and it is really good. Github, Copilot were integrated in no time... I really appreciate that and it is very clean and easy to use.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

#116

Post by oslem »

RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #40

I’m going to somehow misuse this discussion to ask for the readership help about something: I don’t understand the appeal of VSCode or more exactly I don’t understand the appeal of the text editor propped with plugins to be a semi-IDE so I guess that would also include Neovim with plugins. In my career, I have used text editors including vim which I still very much enjoy and both Eclipse and IntelliJ when I used to c…

I’ve used VSCode extensively because of its flexibility, remote extension, and (decent) speed. I enjoyed IntelliJ in the past, but I encountered countless performance issues on larger projects. This could be partially due to a subpar configuration, but over time I just gave up on IntelliJ and just used VSCode because it _just worked_.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by codetrotter »

Natfan wrote: post #111
ninkendo wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed -rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970 /usr/ucb/vi -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990 /usr/bin/emacs

I'm not getting the same results for ed? $ whereis -b ed | cut -d' ' -f 2 | xargs ls -l -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 55504 Feb 22 2020 /usr/bin/ed

But your emacs is still 5.89824 * 10^37 bytes in size like parent commenter, right?

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by oslem »

I really enjoy using Zed whenever I can. It’s incredibly snappy and has a clean UI. I agree with some of the other sentiments in this thread that I wish that the developers would focus more on some core IDE features. If Zed had better Git integration and remote support, I could switch over to it full time.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

#119

Post by Filligree »

wyclif wrote: post #52
riz_ wrote: post #7

I'm wondering if the author ever tried one of the many neovim distributions, which solve a lot of the problem they're describing. All of the plugins and integrations necessary are already set up to create a nice fully featured IDE-style environment. E.g. LazyVim, AstroVim or NvChad

After years of using Vim as a keyboard assassin, then Neovim (with a custom config initially based on kickstart.nvim), about a month ago I started using LazyVim. After test-driving the default config for just a few hours, I found myself nodding my head and saying to myself, "Yes, this is the way." I had seen some of the other "Neovim as IDE" projects but after looking at them carefully, I decided that LazyVim is gene…

I tries LazyVim, but on every startup it nags me about version updates, and :x somehow takes 2-3 seconds extra as well. I don't live in the editor; vim is only useful to me if it starts up and quits instantly.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by cedws »

bww wrote: post #5

I’ve also recently switched (largely) from Vim to Zed and I also think that Zed is in many ways great. At the same time it’s been pretty frustrating to use an editor that is spending so much time building AI integrations, REPLs, and so fourth when basic things like cut and paste and common Vim motions still have so many bugs. I’d love to see them prioritize getting the basics solid first.

To be frank I don’t the majority of us care about these collaboration features. We just want a way to write code that is performant but makes it easy to leverage existing language servers.

I want to pay for Zed for what it is. I want to sponsor a new code editor. I have zero interest in paying for a SaaS collaborative editor.

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