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Re: The Blue Collar Jobs of Philip Glass

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And yet so many people do it. Really. Many stories tell that one secret is "showing up". For many jobs, the boss has a long list of ideal requirements. Even a retail manager would loooooove to find someone with solid experience and recommendations (and is a buddy, jk, or am I?). Anyway. And then also keeps around people who simply reliably show up.

We're talking past each other. You're talking about retaining people already hired or simply rehiring people. I'm talking about the ability to get a job in the first place. Employers are spoiled for choice since 2008, and their requirements genuinely are hard unless you happen to know someone. Your experience in tech is an outlier. Your experience outside of tech in your state and your city is vastly different from m…

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> How is it possible to get any blue collar job at all without extensive training and certifications on your own time and with your own money in that very specific field?

People do. And sure you can find lots of fields as counter examples. I guess people do because they do not insist on these fields.

I was not talking of re-hiring. In the case of retail, you have store managers with lots of candidates who end up having to "hire" one after the other because they still can't fill their schedule with people who actually show up. They hire enough at random so that eventually they do have people who stick.

Parts of Los Angeles, specifically, now, specifically, are filled with entertainmnent industry hopeful for small part time industry jobs. Meanwhile they make do with day jobs that require no particular training or certification. Besides actually showing up, which is not to be taken for granted when many people will outright say it aloud "why should I care?"

The Ghost Ship in Oakland, SF Bay Area, an artist coop kind of thing until it burned to the ground was "charging about 25 resident artists rent ranging between $300 and $600 per month. The monthly rate for a one-bedroom apartment in Oakland at the time typically exceeded $2,000." They are not the only place like that in the Bay Area - they were cheap though.

I'm not talking tech jobs. But actually I do have examples as tech jobs also! Some startups are fairly desperate in their hiring - and may not pay all that much but certainly enough to survive. In one crazy example, they paid room and board, and not much more. And they worked out perfectly fine on that person's resume for their next job.

Re: The Blue Collar Jobs of Philip Glass

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I have no data to back it up, but my instinct is that “today’s artists” are increasingly supported by rich parents or spouses when compared with those of 50 years ago. This is a consequence of wealth concentration and the destruction of the middle class.

Err, for all of history and longer it's been that way.

I agree that for much of history, there was in fact more wealth inequality than there is today.

Re: The Blue Collar Jobs of Philip Glass

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I'm sorry, but I don't hold them in high regard as artists. They're part of the "western/southern frontier" crowd that encapsulated the zeitgeists of their environments, rather than create something that transcended it. The "frontier" is a notable and interesting subject in itself, but it has only peripheral cultural value to... civilization.

Much of O’Keeffe’s work relates to gender in a way that was counter to the zeitgeist of the contemporaneous southwest. Johnson more or less embodied a nascent Delta blues, defining it on wax, then died. It was too early in the codification for there be something to transcend. His career was like 9 months long. McCarthy I don’t know, can’t read because I don’t like the violence. Nonetheless your final point is far mor…

Apologies for the late reply! I'm sorry, I won't be able to respond.

Re: The Blue Collar Jobs of Philip Glass

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I mean, I could probably get you a job washing dishes in 15 minutes. You are not picky, are you? Labor Ready is always hiring.

What city is this in? What's the pay rate? What does a bedroom go for on Craigslist in the area?

Woah, you are not getting an entire bedroom. Your options are couch, closet, inflatable mattress on floor next to someone's bed.

Re: The Blue Collar Jobs of Philip Glass

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but people have more income now - surely working for uber or lyft today is the equivalent of driving a cab then?

Absolutely not. Cost of living increases and the like. Consider, back then single income households were the norm because you could absolutely afford a house, car in the driveway, and raise a couple kids on a single blue collar income. Hell, in the late 90s you could make rent on a studio apartment in a single weekend delivering pizza if tips were decent.

I'm talking about income - you're talking about expenses. Sure, the balance between the two matters, but they're not the same thing!

Re: The Blue Collar Jobs of Philip Glass

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Absolutely not. Cost of living increases and the like. Consider, back then single income households were the norm because you could absolutely afford a house, car in the driveway, and raise a couple kids on a single blue collar income. Hell, in the late 90s you could make rent on a studio apartment in a single weekend delivering pizza if tips were decent.

I'm talking about income - you're talking about expenses. Sure, the balance between the two matters, but they're not the same thing!

I couldn't agree more. One is a number on your pay stub the other is a measure of what that actually means. In 1998 I could do more on the $8hr I was earning at the time than you could earning 3 times as much today.
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